Banned… Jules… What?!!, 20/11/04, Monsieur Mature

Thomas Paine

What was the offensive material?

20 Nov 2004, 10:23

lord of the rings porn

20 Nov 2004, 12:18

the real Julia Maynard (blogless)

hahaha very good! as if i've not had enough upset at this devistating situation of losing my blog, you now laugh at me! shame on you….
and for the record it wasnt me that posted that! i dont know who it was?! you should start a campaign (of hate…....see what i did there jack?!) to get me my blog back (without the LOTR porn).....cheeiro

20 Nov 2004, 12:24

can't you send the admin ppl a mail asking to get your blog back? tell them you'll delete the offensive stuff. my blog got suspended b/c i hat an entry entitled: f**ing d*gs yesterday and i asked them if i could get it back – and i did get it back, just had to change the title

20 Nov 2004, 12:35

ooops, that was supposed to say drugs

20 Nov 2004, 12:36

Thomas Paine

I must say, I find the idea of censorship in a university quite appalling. I thought the purpose of a universoty was to expand the minds of those who study there? How is that possible if the authorities censor a space (i.e. – Warwick Blogs) which was supposed to allow people to express themselves?

20 Nov 2004, 12:52

reply

I don't know what the reason for the removal was. But in some cases, I think it might be necessary. I'm sure there's a liimit to what most people would want to be associated with the university they attend.

For instance, if it was Lord of the Rings porn, I'd hate to tell someone back home that I go to Warwick, just for them to reply "Oh Warwick, that's the university that has lots of LOTR porn, right?".

Censorship of warwick blogs doesn't stop you expressing yourself, it just might stop you fully expressing yourself on warwick blogs.

20 Nov 2004, 14:22

Hey! Why did no-one inform me of this blog before it was closed down? Lord of the Rings porn…...now that would have been worth seeing!

20 Nov 2004, 14:50

Julia…banned…madness?!

20 Nov 2004, 15:39

i am frankly amazed

when did this happen?

20 Nov 2004, 15:50

ahem

Would it be against the rules to tell us where you got the LOTR porn from? I would really like to check it out…

20 Nov 2004, 16:13

Tim

google it!! "lotr porn

20 Nov 2004, 17:40

Jules….

gimme a break

20 Nov 2004, 18:04

Julia

tim….u seem to be quite eager and know about this LOTR porn, was it u that hijacked my blog?!

still want my blog back…..

:-(

20 Nov 2004, 18:04

Gethin Jones

Type cockworship into google….that should set you straight

20 Nov 2004, 19:01

In a bizarre turn of events I'm actually partially supporting the university on this, which for those who've seen my comments from the beginning will find quite astounding.

The problem is a lot of us are just names, codes or numbers to the admin, they don't know whether we are corrupt psychopaths or model citizens. So if they get an entry refered to them which breaks the regulations, or see one themselves, they can't tell whether it a hacked account or just the blog owner "being naughty", and therefore they have to assume it's an AUP violation by the owner and temp/perm ban them. I've been in this position as a forum moderator before and believe me it's not fun having stuff dumped on the site by hackers or retards and even worse clearing up the mess it causes. In one case (which I missed) a single troublemaker cost the site a few of its most valuable members who left as a result of the problems he caused.

If it's a case of hacking, or "minor sensorship" like Laura's, then I can't see why an email to admin explaining why the entry was made (and without your consent) shouldn't work, and if they don't I might have to get the R3TarDPOiNTz out again. But I definitely recall in one of the early criticism threads that there was genuine concern from some users over hacking. Yes it's a bummer losing the blog, but before everyone goes OMGWTFBBQ they should understand why the blog admin had to take this action. However, I find Thomas Paine's post which from the context of the entry says to me "Blog Admin should not censor porn" both laughable and worrying.

20 Nov 2004, 22:20

There are important issues here, but there seems some general agreement.

1. It is not unreasonable for any access provider and/or site moderator to wish to exclude pornographic material: (a) it is by definition without redeeming communicative or expressive qualities, and thus does not trigger free speech and freedom of expression concerns; (b) pornography can have a profoundly corrupting effect on general access, fouling up search engines, triggering parental control filters and providing links to all kinds of virally unsafe sites – for whole systems, not just the blog in question – since it has no redeeming value it is important not to risk this (which it might be if the content of the contribution was worthwhile); (c) the web is absolutely full to overflowing with every kind of porn, most of it unbelievably freely accessible. If porn is what people are into there are loads of other places to go.

2. It is accepetd that the material in question was pornography or was pornographic.

3. There is some question over whether or not the owner of the blog was directly responsible for the posting of the pornography, or was aware of it.

4. In taking down the blog of the individual responsible for posting pornography or allowing it to be posted, all the other postings and comments (which did not break any terms or conditions, whatever value they might have had) have been lost to all other bloggers and readers.

5. There is a lack of awareness or understanding of the proper processes by which mitigating circumstances might be addressed to those in charge of blog tool access, and to what possible effect.

6. There is no agreement among those who concur with points 1 and 2 above
(a) about how best the system should be policed;
(b) how individuals may properly address those in charge of the system regarding matters of contravention of term and conditions, including matters of responsibility, mitigation, or dispute of fact or interpretation;
(c) what the most just and effective system of sanctions for misconduct should be (including taking into account the severity of the conduct and its frequency);
(d) what due process protections are necessary, including protection of non-offending postings on the blog subject to action;
(e) given the immediate publicity on Warwick blogs that any official action against an individual blogger will unquestionably receive (along with postings by one route or another of documents relevant to the case), whether it is not protective of all involved (and to prevent ordinary blogging activity from being "chilled" by over-cautious reaction) for any disciplinary actions to be announced and all relevant information, including correspondence be posted.

It is important to recognise that the current monitoring regime has the most extraordinarily light touch. In proportion to the number of postings, and the content of many of them, almost complete freedom reigns on Warwick blogs. There is no evidence of regular or heavy-handed intervention, and every kind of self-expression (in topics/subjects, language, and opinion) is possible without any fear of censorship. The only cases outside this general situation is where the title of a post (displayed on the home page) could genuinely damage the University's reputation if reported to those who did not understand the blogging process, or were hostile to the University.

It seems to me that it would be an idea if those of us who care about these issues – and that means those of us who really like Warwick blogs and want them to have all the benefits of freedom of speech – should perhaps write some blog entries about how we think it would be best to address these issues (including how the system could me made to police itself).

20 Nov 2004, 23:29

Cue HUGE trackback. And I hate writing serious stuff in my blog.

21 Nov 2004, 00:59

It is important to recognise that the current monitoring regime has the most extraordinarily light touch. In proportion to the number of postings, and the content of many of them, almost complete freedom reigns on Warwick blogs. There is no evidence of regular or heavy-handed intervention, and every kind of self-expression (in topics/subjects, language, and opinion) is possible without any fear of censorship. The only cases outside this general situation is where the title of a post (displayed on the home page) could genuinely damage the University's reputation if reported to those who did not understand the blogging process, or were hostile to the University.

You're wrong there, myself and 2 friends got banned and either fined or given formal warnings for entries which had no visible effect outside the page they were on.

21 Nov 2004, 01:37

Julia Maynard

i just want my blog back :-(

21 Nov 2004, 10:01

Joselito

To friends of Bangladesh.

Dolore e tormento nel soffio beato d’un vento
maestoso, e timide fronde al cader di una piova
e di un canto perpetuo.
Ma ascolta, Signore, ascolta quel sole che a novo
ridonda al fiatar d’un sorriso, ed allora,onde il
chiaro ritorna e d’incanto gioisce, quella timida
fronda muterà in cantilena.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy.

A los amigos de Bangladesh.

Dolor y tormento en la nube bendita de un viento
maestro, y timidos frondas el caer de uno llueve y
de una canciòn constante.
Mas escucha , Senòr, escucha ese sol que contribuye
al soplar de una sonrisa, y entonces, cuando ese
devuelven y de la fascination fa alegria, eso timido
claro cambiarà los canciones en rama frondosa.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

To friends of Bangladesh.

Sorrow and crying in the blessed blowing of a stately
wind, and bashful leaves in the falling rain of a
perpetual anthem.
But listen , my Lord, listen the sun again reflecting
when a sunset fades away, and then, whence the
brightness returns and in charm disappears, the delicate
leaf will convert in a warbling.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Aux amis de Bangladesh.

Douleur et soupir dans le souffle léger du vent
majestueux, et timides feuilles au tomber de la
pluie et d’une chant perpétuelle.
Mais écoute, mon Dieu, écoute ce soleil que encore
résonne au fuir d’un sourire, et alors, quand le
clair retourne et soudain s’avance, cette mou
feuille changera en chanson.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Zu den Freunden von Bangladesch.

Schmerz und qual im gesegneten Hauch eines Windes
stattlich, und ängstliche grüne Zweige zum fallen eines
Regens und von einem ewigen Lied.
Aber hört, Herr, hört dieser Sonne der noch es spielt zum
Leiden eines Lächelns, und da, wenn das klar kommt
Zurück und von Bezauberung feiert, dieses kleeine blatt
wird als ein lied sein.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Para os amigos de Bangladesh.

Dor e receio no sopro santificado de um vento imponente,
e filiais copadas timidas para o cair de uma chuva e de uma
canção perpetua.
Mas escuta, Senior, escuta aquile sol que ainda canta ao
passar de um sorriso, e entao, quando o claro devolve e de
incanto exulta, quele timido filial mudarà no baile.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

In perpetuo tormento.

Com’anco pe lumi al primier patimento de gelido canto
ch’odo, fuggitivo e sibillino, e seco traviato al par del
rimembro in suo poter d’antica lucerna; e mite il chiarore,
giammai finor disteso lascivo com’erta collina ch’arride
furtiva a presso de luci in rinnovato e fioco incanto.
Ridente sdegnando al pio ruscello dalla via corrente in
infinito, a prova di strazio che oscuro d’inerte fa grida
al luttuoso e mortifero manto.

21 Nov 2004, 14:45

WHAT?!

21 Nov 2004, 17:31

go to my blog…hot or not

22 Nov 2004, 01:14

I vote or.

22 Nov 2004, 12:57

Wu Hu

But if lollipops get me horny does that mean its porn..

(they don't by the way – its just a thought)

Because porn is material 'designed to sexually arouse' 0- and who knows LOTR porn may be 'designed to amuse'

god I wish I was a lawyer – I would be ACE

22 Nov 2004, 12:59

Sinibaldi

Ora, il canto del mio cuore.

Ora,nel sole,al mattin di una primula rinata al cader di
una fronda incantata e piena d'amore.
Ora,nel cuore,col pensiero che fugge,col fiatar di un
chiarore,e con l'alba di un sole ritornato a gioire.
Ora,per te,per un canto che imbruna:e che solo rinasce.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Now, the song of my hearth.

Now, in the sun, in the primerose’s morning revived and
fallen for a charmed leaves and brimful of love.
Now, in the hearth, with a thought escaping, and
whispering a glimmer, with the sun’s daybreak returned
to rejoice.
Now, for you, for a song turned dark: and that lonely
revives.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Agora, a canção de meu coração.

Agora no mattin de sole, de uma flor renascida
para o cader de uma filial copada encantada
por inundação de amor.
Agora no cuore,col pensado que fiatar de fugge,
col de um chiarore,e com o amanhecer de um sol
voltado a cantar.
Agora para te,per uma canção que imbruna:e que
só reaviva.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Jetzt, das Lied meines Herzens.

Jetzt im sonne, zum Morgen eines wiedergeborenen Primel
zum fallen von ein bezauberter grüner Zweig und eine
Flut der Liebe.
Jetzt im Herz, mit der Gedanke der fugge, mit blasen von ein
Klar, und mit der Morgendämmerung einer Sonne kam zu
rejoyce zurück
Jetzt für te, fur ein Lied der imbruna :und den nur es erneuert.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Maintenant, la chanson de mon coeur.

Maintenant, dans le soleil, au matin d’un fleur nè à
nouveau au tomber de une branche enchantè et plein
d’amour.
Maintenant, dans le cœur, avec le penseè que fuit, au
souffler d’un reflet, et aussi l’aube d’un soleil revenue
a rejoyce.
Maintenant, pour toi, par une chanson qui descend :et
que seulement il rianime.

Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy
Traduzione di Francesco Sinibaldi – Italy

Un bimbetto solare.

C’era una volta un bimbetto solare, e il suo viso gradiva baciare le ciglia
dei fiori con gli odori di quiete ed il chiaro rimare di un tramonto lontano.
Passava sereno da un cespuglio ad un prato e dall’alto del cielo il raggiare
dei monti osannava l’amore, e il colore dell’animo suo, dimora di quiete, sta-
va accanto ai ruscelli a donare canzoni.

22 Nov 2004, 14:35

^ What he said… maybe…

22 Nov 2004, 15:17

I'm Back in the game

check it out Cook Pass Babtrige is back on the road baby, yeh! i missed my blog….....reunited at last!

Jules xx

22 Nov 2004, 18:15

Julia hasn't mentioned it, but she has got her blog back now. She has not lost any entries and we would never just delete an entire blog and all the entries just because of a single entry. Julia has now changed her password via Insite so hopefully her blog can not be hijacked again.

23 Nov 2004, 09:25

well, she did mention it (see above)
but well done mr shaw, it is good news indeed(!)

i have a headache, frankly i am amazed

23 Nov 2004, 11:26

OOOIIIIIIIII!!!!!!!!!

AHAHA AHAHA!

25 Nov 2004, 23:24

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