February 02, 2006

Why can't we kick out non –uni students from union events?

The past two issues of Boar have described some serious incidents going on around in the union. Now although the union denies certain aspects of it, the fact is the incidents were quite serious and frankly I dont see many warwick students doing it.

What really really angered me are the local youths of coventry picking a fight with uni students. I have seen them drive past bus stops at night in their cars, honking at girls cursing guys and fucking about basically and I can't stand them! Who the hell do they think they are coming to our uni, messing with our students???? I have no problem with people coming to the union having a nice time and enjoying themselves,. but if they abuse the union and unnecessarily cause havoc should we really allow them here?

Our university does not even have a main gate! Its just open road, anyone can come and go and it is obvious that they will abuse this right to do so. I have been egged while walking three times and funny as it might seem it is annoying and not something any student should go through. Think of the dangers of getting raped if you are a female, think of the possible muggings (has happened) and the increase in thefts ( I worked at the union and know that a lot of stuff gets stolen).


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  1. Dave

    last thing we want is any smelly plebs round here

    02 Feb 2006, 11:37

  2. Jimmy.

    … the incidents were quite serious and frankly I don't see many warwick students doing it.

    But do you have proof, or are you just being naive? I've met some people here who are potentially only a few misfiring neurons short of committing the "incidents" as described. It would be, dare I say, plain stupid to suggest that Warwick students are innocent by definition.

    What really really angered me are the [local youths] picking a fight with uni students.

    That I agree with, Warwick security and/or the police needs to have a more visible and more effective presence on campus, particularly outisde daylight hours. That said, to imply that this is a Warwick-only problem, or that the situtation is any worse here than at many other insitutions is simply incorrect.

    Our university does not even have a main gate!

    Good, I want to go to University, not prison.

    Think of the dangers of getting [raped, mugged] and the increase in thefts…

    I don't in any way mean to undermine the serious nature of incidents which have occurred on campus in the past, recent or otherwise. However, it should be noted that these things occur everywhere. Why are you assuming that University should be safer? We would not take safety for granted if walking alone in the dark anywhere else, so why should we do so here? We would not take safety for granted if getting drunk with strangers in a nightclub anywhere else, so why do we do so here? I do not go out to the Union alone, and I do not go home alone unless absolutely necessary. I have left the Union at times inconvenient for me on a number of occasions to ensure safety in numbers. I drive to Union events occasionally (from Leam), and have in the past made two trips home to ensure the safe delivery of friends. I'm not a saint, but I am aware that Warwick isn't a magical happy place.

    I think it is time we built a big fence and kicked these youths out.

    Well I think a happy medium could be reached. Non-Warwick by guest admittance only, for example? More security on campus, of course. I don't think turning our University into some bizarre maximum-security camp is really the solution.

    NB: I apologise if anyone has been offended by the content of my comment. I do not wish nor mean to trivialise issues of personal safety and security experienced by students here; I am simply suggesting that there are far less drastic solutions than Udayan would propose.

    02 Feb 2006, 11:49

  3. Lee Davis

    The union can, and does for some events restrict entry to Students. However for commercial reasons many events are open for non-students to also buy tickets.
    There is generally a reciprocal agreement through all NUS affilliated institutions that members also allowing access (on presentation of a valid student ID).
    Many places operate a system whereby members can sign in one bona-fide guest, in the event of any problems that member is responsible for the actions of their 'guest' (to try and prevent locals hassling strangers to sign them in).
    I doubt that all the problems are caused by 'Locals', anyway we can't exclude tehm completely from campus as places like the arts centre ar public facilities.

    02 Feb 2006, 11:51

  4. Udayan, your apportioning of the blame on local residents ("I don't see many Warwick students doing it") doesn't take into account that there are many instances of Warwick students performing indecent cts , attempting to blackmail other students stealing things ("I worked at the union and know that a lot of stuff gets stolen"), alleged assaults by students on other students, and students being disciplined for alleged sexual harrassment let alone the petty theft of food that goes on in halls.

    Yes, it is unacceptable for people to egg and verbally/physically assualt people. However, Warwick Campus is an open campus – the Arts Centre has a quarter of a million visitors each year, our sports faclities are used by local residents, local and national sporting bodies, BUSA for knock-out finals, and a whole host of other groups. The Union hosts events that are deliberatley open to general public (e.g. the Robert Plant gig last year), there are nearly 6000 rooms on campus, the marjority of which are emptied/filled at the beginning/end of each term, and there are countless thousands of prospective parents and their families visiting each year.

    Campus spreads over a vast area, in (basically) three distinct sites (Central, Westwood, Gibbet Hill), and the suggestion of putting up a Berlin-esque wall with checkpoints, watchtowers and mines is a little excessive (let alone impractical) don't you think?

    02 Feb 2006, 12:31

  5. Well yes I am basing my claim on an "unproven" but what I believe a pretty legitimate claim – Warwick uni students will not form gangs and provoke attacks on students standing in a bus stop, walking home, running etc. just to get kicks out of it. yes there might be a few who can blaickmail or steal , but seriously although food theft in halls is very annoying – it is not a security threat.

    Why I think building a fence is important is because it restricts access of drunken people especially after 9 or 10p.m. Now an objection to this was that a lot of people visit the arts centre – great!!! I am also quite confident that they are not th ones carrying out serious attack on warwick uni students, but I am sure they will not stop coming to the arts centre if the only difference was that they now had to drive through a fence. It is important to ensure that trouble causing morons dont come into uni. As I said before I have no problem with other students enjoying themselves at the union, but I do have a problem with them attacking students.

    Now I dont mean a Berlinesque wall, even colleges in Oxford have fences, or universities around the world. that does not mean the university is Berlin does it? If security is really the issue, then surely restricted access to campus is a way forward. I dont see why we cannot have gates in the entrance to university and or checkpoints in the entrance to residences. It is expensive but I'd rather the uni spend money on that then trying to set up camp at singapore.

    02 Feb 2006, 15:26

  6. I agree with points of both sides of this argument. I don't think a "Berlin-esque" wall is the answer, but at the same time I think some sort of barrier or gate system would be beneficial to the campus. I don't know exactly how it would work – maybe the University could put some money towards a feasibility study? If they can go and blow a million quid of our money pratting about in Singapore, surely they can invest a bit more in REALLY improving campus security.

    What I'd really like to see more of is Security actually doing their job properly, with proper patrols especially after the end of evening events. Employing security guards just to and clamp "illegally" parked cars and drive to fire alarms is not good enough. They need to be stopping this frankly dangerous stuff that's happening.

    02 Feb 2006, 15:32

  7. We are a campus university, so already benefit in some ways from being isolated from the rest of the locality in our own little bubble. Not all uni's are like this. Think of all the city universities – Leicester, Imperial, Bristol, Leeds, Southampton, Cardiff, etc. They are exposed to the inhabitants of the city just like any other part of the area, with nothing to protect them from local troublemakers. In this respect we are actually in a much better position already (from a security point of view) than many other universities. I therefore feel that we don't have any well-founded cause for complaint.

    [To illustrate my point, imagine what would happen if Cardiff fenced off all their university buildings (which are spread across the city) from their neighbours. The image of the university this would present to the public is one of snobbery, and would be likely to increase the chance of such troublesome incidents taking place.]

    02 Feb 2006, 16:13

  8. Jimmy.

    Lee Davis said:
    Many places operate a system whereby members can sign in one bona-fide guest, in the event of any problems that member is responsible for the actions of their 'guest'.

    I'm sure the Union used to operate a policy like this, didn't they? Or possibly they said they would, and never got round to it. Can anyone confirm/deny that for sure, my memory's not as good as it used to be…

    Udayan said;
    Warwick uni students will not form gangs and provoke attacks on students standing in a bus stop, walking home, running etc. just to get kicks out of it.

    I'd tend to agree with you regarding the gang-forming, but I've seen a potentially pretty serious fight start over a combination of some pink hair dye and a little alcohol-influenced name-calling. Please break out of this opinion that Warwick students can do no wrong. Sure, there are worse evils out there, but that doesn't mean we can blame everything on them.

    Udayan said:
    Now I dont mean a Berlinesque wall, even colleges in Oxford have fences, or universities around the world. that does not mean the university is Berlin does it?

    Re: Oxford Colleges. Sure, the colleges have walls, but the University does not. Last I checked, all the Warwick residences (closest applicable comparison) are accessible by key only. And for what it's worth, I know a fair few Oxford students who operate a policy of "we don't go out on Saturdays" due to the town-vs-gown issue present there. Just FYI. As to your second point: no, building a wall doesn't magically turn the University into Berlin… but it does build a wall.

    Udayan said:
    If security is really the issue, then surely restricted access to campus is a way forward.

    I'll agree to disagree. Residences already have restricted access; perhaps the Uni could improve it a little (Rootes in my first year, for example, was notorious for letting any old party-goer in), but the measures are in place. I'm in total agreement that the security situation of the Uni could be improved, but I don't agree with restricted access, walls and fences. To me, the concept is ridiculous.

    02 Feb 2006, 16:28

  9. "I therefore feel that we don't have any well-founded cause for complaint."

    You don't think people being beaten up, egged and attacked by non-students is a cause for complaint?! I'm not saying that Warwick students do no harm, but surely it's logical that if there are "outsiders" coming on to campus and having a go at people for the sake of it, then steps must be taken to improve security and prevent these people from having access, or at least deter them? If the University and Union ignore this problem they'll both be guilty of neglecting the welfare of their students/members. Whether they care about the students or not, I'm sure they wouldn't want the bad press that would go with it…

    02 Feb 2006, 16:32

  10. Don't get me wrong, I agree with the wish to make campus as secure as possible, and would love to see more "proper" Security patrols. But I don't think that a fence around campus and a gate system is in any way practical. There are (having a quick look at a map of campus) around 35 separate entrances of one type or another to campus – from the Gatehouse to the footpath into Tocil Wood. Some of these paths (including the path to from the MBA centre to the top of Cryfield, where it splits from the Heronbank path) are public footpaths. Manning or securing all of these entrances/exits would be impossible.

    Gibbet Hill Road and Kirby Corner Road are both public highways, with both University buildings and private residences/businesses along their lengths. To restrict/prevent through traffic along them (and public footpaths) would be impossible, and cause outrage locally as they are important arteries to/from Canley, Westwood Heath and Kenilworth.

    Let us do a quick bit of maths:
    Students living off campus: 15000 – 6000 = 9000
    Assuming half of these come on to campus each day: 9000/2 = 4500
    Adding staff: 4500 + 4000 = 9500
    Adding Arts Centre visitors: 9500 + (250000/365) = 10200 (ish)
    Adding external Sports visitors (3 pitches x 40 people x 2 sessions + 30 gym + 30 swimming) = 10200 + 300 = 10500
    Arriving evenly 8am-6pm: 10500/10hrs = 1050 /hr

    = 17.5 /min

    That means that if we were to have two main entrances to campus, 2 full cars would have pass through each entrance every minute. Or to put it another way, you would have 6 seconds to enter, and that doesn't take into account visitors/guests/deliveries. Bear in mind the time it takes to fish out a Library Card from a purse/wallet…

    02 Feb 2006, 17:16

  11. Dave

    I'd like to see you build a gate around the uni, as you said its on a pretty big road, and you cant stop cars coming thru because their after a shortcut to or from work just because you want a closed society inside of purely students. There are banks too and food places your forgetting such a cholo, costcutters, the post office, etc that people use, without other people coming in their revenue would fall.

    As for uni events this could be implemented, warwick NUS only for entry and so be it, but the union probably wont do it, even with the stabbings or whatever thats gone on, if they decline people (I know a fair amount of sound people who live in Cov/Lem who come jsut for the nights out cos its good fun) from coming into the union, there also cutting the amount of money they get – and the amount of money they make.

    02 Feb 2006, 18:04

  12. At my time within the University, and in the surrounding areas, the only anti-social behaviour I have seen implemented on students has been performed by other students. Just because we are recieving an education doesn't automatically mean that we will not participate in lewd behaviour, infact I think students are renowned for acts that aren't exactly in the public's interest. If you asked the people of Leamington I'm pretty sure most of them would say they don't like our behaviour as we leave Mirage (or Evolve, or whatever the Hell it is called these days) and drunkenly wander home and shout obseneties. I myself know other students who have played the delightful game of "knock-and-run" at 2am. If you talk about putting a giant fence up around the Uni, why don't the people of Leamington or Coventry put up a massive fence around the outskirts of the town?

    I find it astounding that we can just assume it is those from backgrounds worse-off than us that have partaken in these crimes, especially that of the "stabbing". That night was Top Banana, which rarely has any out of uni members (unless personal guests of students), therefore I find it more likely that it was a student who performed this "alleged" attack. I find this whole argument very elitist and snobbish to be honest. Just because the majority of us are from middle-class backgrounds (I myself am not) does not make us any less likey to perform anti-social behaviour.

    Besides, you put a giant fence up, it'll give these so called 'chavs' the incentive to break in over it. It would be a lovely challenge for them.

    02 Feb 2006, 19:36

  13. Udayan, on the gate/wall issue. It's a university. We're 18 years old at least. This is not high school where we run round in the playground. You goddam right I expect things to be different than highschool. We're in the middle of nowhere as it is. I wouldn't want that made even worse.

    It's pretty much impossible to avoid unauthorised people geting into the big residences, someones always coming out who will intentionally/unintentionally let someone in if they want to get in.

    The "local vs. univ" issue is one which comes down to the fact that there's loads of people at universities who just aren't streetwise or havn't ever dealt with those kinds of situations before. If the students were entirley drawn from the inner-cities it would be different, but they're not. There are many foreigners, country kids and rich kids and some don't know how to handle situations as well. Students will always be easy targets for this reason.
    Overall…it's welcome to life for those people. You're gonna get stick and you're gonna be in undesireable situations sometimes in life. Learn how to deal with it, learn how to be vigilent in all areas of life. This is the best we can do.

    02 Feb 2006, 19:40

  14. Cries at another Udayan masterpiece

    02 Feb 2006, 20:09

  15. For the first time…possibly ever, I disagree with Udayan. I agree with bits and bobs of what people have to say. I agree partly with Dave & Jimmy – we've got smelly plebs right here in Warwick. Wait…that's not the brunt of my argument.

    Why are we treating this as an epidemic of violence against students? 2 incidents in 2 weeks! Come on! And why do some people talk as if any second now the dirty ugly stupid 'locals' (delightful nomenclature, by the way) are going to rape the life out of soft bunny students?? Are we babies?

    Why should the University transcend its position as an institution in a city in the UK? While we do need Security, the Police are crucial. How can we ask Warwick Sec to step up security with just a couple of incidents with little actual damage? If you go out and about and get drunk, you run the gauntlet regardless of where you are. Why should we expect a harsher policing?

    And this 'wall' business is beyond belief. Are any of you seriously suggesting a barrier around the university? I don't think it has come anywhere near that situation…nevermind the practicalities of it (nice calculation).

    Udayan – don't be so soft!

    P.S. – You're smelly too

    03 Feb 2006, 02:08

  16. saskia

    i really don't agree with what you are saying here at all. You cannot just jump to conclusions at who committed these acts, it is just as likely to be student from this university as it is to be someone from coventry or leamington. it is also just as likely that us warwick students will act out when we go to union events (shouting and screaming on the way back to halls or when standing at the bus stop) as it is that other people who don't go to the univeristy will.
    i cant see how shutting ourselves away from other people will help, this is the real world and unfortunatley things like this happen; not often but they do.

    03 Feb 2006, 02:52

  17. I only want to agree with what lots of other people have said really. It's absolutely absurd to point the finger at the 'local youths of coventry' just like that and I wish I had your talent of being able to recognise them, do they wear signs that say 'Locally Bred Yob' that I have somehow missed? It's also equally absurd to suggest that because of a couple of incidents that may have involved non- Warwick students, all 'outsiders' should be banned. Are we Warwick students so utterly, amazingly fascinating that nobody else could possibly have anything to add to our social circles? And just to reiterate a point thats already been made- rapes, muggings, thefts, can and do occur anywhere and everywhere. If we used a fence to try and protect people then we'd have to put fences up everywhere and now I have a confusing image of streets criss-crossed with fences as people try and prevent themselves from coming into contact with anyone not from their own social group.

    I have an uncomfortable sense of some sort of class issue going on here.

    03 Feb 2006, 11:16

  18. Catherine Fenn

    Who the hell do they think they are coming to our uni, messing with our students????

    Helpful!?

    Disappointed though you might be to hear this…
    1) I attended a campus University where I worked as a Security Steward for the Student's Union.
    2) The campus was surrounded by a high red brick wall.
    3) One vehicle access and exit point. Several pedestrian access points.
    4) Access to all SU venues required SU card.
    5) Guests could be signed in. (There was a strict policy).

    Our evenings were far from incident free and some incidents were very serious in nature.
    Sometimes our biggest hassle was trying to explain the sign in policy!

    As a 'local' I enjoyed some quality nights out in the Warwick SU during the 90's. (Must be a sign of age that you are now more likely to find me in the Arts Centre – sigh…). Would be a pity to let the actions of a few lead to the exclusion of many.

    03 Feb 2006, 11:29

  19. Kay is right. Class issue. Disgracefully so. Many upper middle class twits need to grow up. Less money and flash ipods and phones, more sense would help

    03 Feb 2006, 11:49

  20. Ok well, obviously my fence idea is not too popular, but I guess I am just angry at the lack of action taken by security, yes the residences can only be accessed by one key, but I remember staying in a hall and things were stolen, random people I did not know entered all the time, its not very safe as far as I can remember. I agree that I am not conventional in my ideas, but I honestly do believe unrestricted access to all sites is not a good idea.

    Now with the Warwick students can do not harm thing – yes of course they can! I only said that its highly unlikely for them to form gangs and ask taunt people walking alone or standing at bus stops. does that mean they never ever cause trouble, no! of course they do, but I know that I will feel a lot safer walking on campus at night if I knew that no unauthorized people would be allowed in. And I am sure there are people who support this view and there those that do not, either way not much has changed since 2004 when I got here.

    Ankit – It may not matter to you that there were only a few incidents, but I am quite sure it would be of your concern if you were being beaten up by them, or if you recieved a puncture wound or whatever they're calling it. Just because the "real world" is unsafe according to you is not a reason university must be too. Its not a question of being soft, but of being sensible, security is an important issue Ankit not a waste of time.

    P.S. – nice one James!

    03 Feb 2006, 13:29

  21. Well, considering the very reasonable comments and debate on Top-up fees by this author, I can't belive that he could spout such non-sense in such quantities. I have grown up in a divided Germany and trust me the last thiung that's good for us is a Wall…...
    Now the non-sarcastic part, I suggest that the autrhor of this blog comes down from his high and obviously spoiled behind and start realising that there is a very socially difficult situation in Coventry and the surrounding area. This always creates tension and the University is the obvious area to relieve this because mot people are doing quite well here.
    Also, the number of incidents is rather small and usually involves large quantities of alcohol, so here's a thought: "If the bar staff thinks someone's had enough, don't give them anymore booze!

    03 Feb 2006, 13:39

  22. Ok well you can call me Udayan – that is actually my name and I prefer it to "the author of this blog". Look I never requird you to agree with me on top-up fees, given you are from germany you know more about the sitatuion than I do, I'll grant you that

    Do you honestly think I dont know that there are problems in Coventry? If the university is as you say the area to relieve this, then surely that must be stopped! Why should we be punished for studying hard at school? You make the mistake of assuming that everyone here is well off and that is not true, there a lot of people here from a whole variety of backgrounds and all have earned their places in this university. If people from Coventry have problem with that then why again I ask should we be a target?

    03 Feb 2006, 13:45

  23. Stuart Coles

    Why should anyone be a target to that behaviour? It's not on, you're right, and perhaps the University could do more. They have, however, made huge strides in campus security since my 1st year here (2002/3), when there was some nasty incidents around the Lakeside & what became Heronbank area.

    I don't think this is limited to Warwick students though. Coventry students get the same treatment, and you'll probably find this is the same across the country. There are a lot of people who don't like high achievers (it's not about their backgrounds), and feel it necessary to do horrible things to them. It's not even a local issue.

    The university can't be held responsible for the security of the halls. They can send patrols round etc., but if some people who live there insist on letting people in who they don't recognise, holding doors open for people they don't know, then security can't do much about it. Halls are people's homes and more people need to treat it with suitable respect. Basic priniciples of security are required – and all the inhabitants need to stick by them.

    03 Feb 2006, 16:48

  24. I only said that its highly unlikely for them to form gangs and ask taunt people walking alone or standing at bus stops.
    Unfortunately this does happen, we've all seen it happen. Taken from the forum of an unnamed Club/Society:
    bq. I met my friend for coffee today, and she complained that… she got rounded on on the last bus back to Lem by a group of very drunken {people} wearing Club/Society name jackets and brandishing a megaphone.

    03 Feb 2006, 16:59

  25. Hmm, the formatting went a bit awry then. Hopefully this is how it should have looked:

    I only said that its highly unlikely for them to form gangs and ask taunt people walking alone or standing at bus stops.

    Unfortunately this does happen, we've all seen it happen. Taken from the forum of an unnamed Club/Society:

    I met my friend for coffee today, and she complained that
    … she got rounded on on the last bus back to Lem by a group of very drunken {people} wearing Club/Society name jackets and brandishing a megaphone

    03 Feb 2006, 17:01

  26. Crap, I give up. It's too late on a Friday for this.

    03 Feb 2006, 17:01

  27. but if some people who live there insist on letting people in who they don't recognise, holding doors open for people they don't know, then security can't do much about it. Halls are people's homes and more people need to treat it with suitable respect. Basic priniciples of security are required – and all the inhabitants need to stick by them.

    I agree, people will do this virtually regardless of who is trying to get in. It really is up to students to be more security-conscious if they want any real security. There is nothing the University can do to maintain security if the people they're trying to protect are so blasé about it; until something happens of course.

    04 Feb 2006, 11:32

  28. I guess you are right, unfortunately you need some serious incident to rectify people's behaviors

    04 Feb 2006, 15:41

  29. Jenny

    Dont get me started – haven't read all the comments – but as a rule, as a graduate living in london who loved Soul Nation whilst at Warwick (which died a quick death after the union banned everyone as opposed to hiring proper bouncers) you have to understand Warwick is enough of a bubble as it is.

    If university is to teach people life skills – you have to learn that one day you will go to night clubs that have people in them who you dont know. Get over it, put prices up a few quid and get proper bouncers. Has the SU ever banned anyone like a real night club? If its trying to market itself as such then it should get new management.

    You can't just ban other NUS members ( i.e. coventry students) or external people ( your mates from home, family, boyfriends and girlfriends), its not fair.

    Trust me – when it gets to summer you will regret it when you have to trek to leamington on a friday night because the union wont let your mate who graduted the year before you in, or your brother etc…

    They need to get a system sorted – Im only glad I lefy when I did before it got any worse!!

    Some day you'll understand. Bubbles are bad for the soul, and banning people is not the answer.

    04 Feb 2006, 17:07

  30. Anonymous

    "Why should the University transcend its position as an institution in a city in the UK? While we do need Security, the Police are crucial. How can we ask Warwick Sec to step up security with just a couple of incidents with little actual damage? If you go out and about and get drunk, you run the gauntlet regardless of where you are. Why should we expect a harsher policing?" (Ankit)

    A couple of incidents with little actual damage? You say that to the faces of the girls who were raped and sexually abused. And who said alcohol was involved? I happen to know more about all this than most and your comments are deeply offensive. Warwick security has stepped up its efforts for the best, and it needed it where the improvements have been made. I think a lot of people in this university are naive concerning the union, it is more dangerous than some might think (whether this is a 'streetwise' issue or not, I'm not going into that) because people, whether students or locals, do commit crimes and are not pure innocence. Hopefully Warwick students are going to be more aware and take precautions to stay safe as a result of the incidents highlighted by the Boar, but the fact they happened should not be dismissed as lightly as the above comment seems to do.

    07 Feb 2006, 14:47

  31. I didn't do it.

    07 Feb 2006, 15:45

  32. Thank you anonymous

    07 Feb 2006, 15:50

  33. No Wussy

    basically the bottom line is the majority of people at Warwick are wussys, never handled the aggression of the real world. go to Cov uni its a different story. mans watch their step, and if its laid on em, they fight. they aint gonna settle for no outsider comin in, harrassing them.

    infact on university road, i nudged a guy into the road (accidently, as i was looking backward)..and this 6'5" geezer apologised to me!!!!!!!!

    theres friendly and theres pansy

    warwick is full of the latter.

    Eze

    07 Feb 2006, 21:04

  34. Jimmy.

    basically the bottom line is the majority of people at Warwick are wussys, never handled the aggression of the real world. go to Cov uni its a different story. [blah, blah]

    The "real world"? I love it when people try and make a point, then dig themselves a nice deep hole to hide in by invoking that wonderful phrase, "the real world." This is the real fucking world, sunshine, or did you think Warwick University was some kind of student wet dream?

    infact on university road, i nudged a guy into the road (accidently, as i was looking backward)..and this 6'5" geezer apologised to me!!!!!!!!

    Oh no. How awful. A tall man apologised for colliding with you! Christ, what is this world coming to?

    theres friendly and theres pansy
    warwick is full of the latter.

    Your opinion, I guess. Rude and irrelevant, but whatever.

    07 Feb 2006, 21:21

  35. you're arguments are by far the most ridiculous ones I have come across in this discussion.
    Why on earth would i go to Cov uni in the first place? Its not like there are no other venues to go to.

    "Mans watch their step and if its laid on em they fight"
    Is that even english??? Are you suggesting that if some one nudges me by mistake I should beat them up…...because of course thats so much more sensible than increased security!!!! My God you've totaly salvaged all of our security worries now!

    07 Feb 2006, 21:37

  36. "basically the bottom line is the majority of people at Warwick are wussys, never handled the aggression of the real world. go to Cov uni its a different story. mans watch their step, and if its laid on em, they fight. they aint gonna settle for no outsider comin in, harrassing them."

    Learn to speak English before criticising others. Tosser.

    07 Feb 2006, 21:45

  37. Word

    07 Feb 2006, 22:48

  38. I so wish I'd got my GTFO picture up in time. :(

    08 Feb 2006, 00:34

  39. in fact. that no wussy person does have a point.

    08 Feb 2006, 12:02

  40. "that no wussy person does have a point."

    What "point"? That Coventry students are more likely to beat people up? The whole point of Udayan's initial entry was a suggestion to STOP violence and attacks, not create more of it. Let's a have a look at what he said:

    "never handled the aggression of the real world." – you think that's a valid argument? How can you make a sweeping generalisation about 17000 (or whatever the number is) Warwick students?
    "mans watch their step" – taking this to mean "people watch their step", that is implying that people at Warwick don't "watch their step". That's such a vague statement that it's open to interpretation.
    "and this 6'5" geezer apologised to me!!!!!!!!" – so it's wrong for tall people to be polite? Is height inversely proportional to manners?

    Just what point exactly do you assume him to have? Because to me it sounds like the most ill-informed, uneducated, ignorant piffle I have come across for a very long time.

    08 Feb 2006, 13:00

  41. he's a damn good estimator if he can identiy the exact height of people who bump into him

    08 Feb 2006, 13:02

  42. Jimmy.

    Just what point exactly do you assume him to have? Because to me it sounds like the most ill-informed, uneducated, ignorant piffle I have come across for a very long time.

    To be fair Ben, most of Vincent's comments tend to contain the same kind of inarticulate rubbish, as well as more than a few curses along the way. Simple things for simple minds, I think is the phrase.

    08 Feb 2006, 13:34

  43. no wussy

    my my i've caused quite a stir.

    The blogs just after my last entry are pretty much what i expected to be posted.

    My generalisation isn't too far from the truth i guess

    Benjamin(brass society) and Jimmy….............you are just two typical wussy Warwick faggets. I dont even need to read any more from ya. Just a thought, if you went to any rough(ish) areas in coventry you would get the crap beaten of ya, simply cos you'd give off that vibe that you're pansy's. The word stereotypes come to mind.

    yer, from my blog you probably figured i aint no geek, act like a rude bwoy, and love dissing pansy's. and you'd be right.

    Difference is…........................i ain't a part of this Uni!

    08 Feb 2006, 20:55

  44. jimmy, dunno who you are, but don't be trying it mate. No need to get in an argument over nothing. You have no idea what you're talkin bout so best leave it.
    Ben, I wasn't implying people beating people up for no reason.
    You all seem to be missing the point.
    What I'm saying is that certain people are easy targets and don't have the nous to help themselves on that score. I don't think there's much debatable in that. Unless you are quite ignorant/naive.
    That this anonymous person didn't express this how you would like it expressed is not the point. That people can spot a middle class uni student from the 'burbs from far away is. Simple.
    Some of you don't want to hear that. fine. don't go round saying I'm some kind of retard just because I know exactly what's going on and am not ready to join in insulting people for not writing to your standards. I come from a place way rougher than Coventry, and that's just how it is. Middle class kids walking along all lalala not watching their and their mates back get themselves in trouble.

    08 Feb 2006, 22:45

  45. Well done Vincent

    08 Feb 2006, 23:00

  46. No Wussy…....you're funny, even though its hard to figure out what you're saying.

    Don't be trying to be all rough an all dat, beating up people is plain stupid whether they are rich or poor. Nobody cares if you are from Warwick Uni or not, but maybe if you tried actually arguing a point rather than insulting uni students in warwick uni blog, you might get a better response

    08 Feb 2006, 23:03

  47. "Benjamin(brass society) and Jimmy, you are just two typical wussy Warwick faggets"

    HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!! I've never read something quite that funny in a while! That actually did make me laugh out loud! For a start, you're obviously too cowardly to post your full name or even an e-mail address, hence the "no wussy" username with no link. Secondly, you can't even spell the word "faggot" properly, something I find very disappointing given that it evidently fills a large part of your very narrow vocabulary. Just to point out a rather laughable part of your post:

    "Just a thought, if you went to any rough(ish) areas in coventry you would get the crap beaten of ya,"

    Hmmmmm. I've been to many of what I consider to be the "rough" parts of Coventry, although whether the general feeling that these parts are "rough", so to speak, I would suggest is open to debate. However, I have managed not to "get the crap beaten out of me" the numerous times I have been in such places – as well as in the less affluent areas of other cities apart from your seemingly beloved Coventry – so on the basis of this either your "well 'ard Cov Uni" mates are pretty pathetic at spotting potential Warwick students, or you're spouting complete and utter crap. I would suspect the latter. Either way, it's hilarious and I hope many other people have had a good laugh at your post as I have. because at least then it'll have served some useful purpose.

    I have nothing more to say to you, as you are evidently incapable of holding a reasonable and worthwhile debate. If you can prove me wrong, I would be delighted; however, respond in the manner you have done so far in this thread and I would hope that most people have a similar reaciton to me. That is, one which assumes you are not only lacking in the brain department but also the wit one as well.

    Moving on to a point which might be slightly more worthy of debate:
    Vincet – "What I'm saying is that certain people are easy targets and don't have the nous to help themselves on that score. "

    I think now you've explained what you mean a little more you have a fair point. I don't want to get involved in a whole "class" debate mainly because I'm a) a bit pissed, and b) can't be arsed but I think when you say "certain people" I understand what you mean. I think you're right to argue that there is a certain "type" of person that is more susceptible to attacks of the types described, and because the average student coming to Warwick will GENERALLY have better qualifications and possibly – as either a consequence or a cause – of this, a more stable and affluent background, then the average Warwick student will be less accustomed to having to "stick up for him/herself", as this imbecile from Coventry Uni puts it.

    The point I was making to you was that I consider it a little narrow-minded to generalise 17000 Warwick students under one category – i.e. soft and rather useless, as "no wussy" was suggesting. Thankfully, you clarified your position on this, and although I don't agree with everything you said, I do think that when you say "What I'm saying is that certain people are easy targets and don't have the nous to help themselves on that score", you have a very vaild point.

    09 Feb 2006, 01:18

  48. PS to the above post… before I get pulled up on them, I quite happily admit my spelling mistakes. I don't normally get involved in heated debates on blogs after 9 pints on an empty stomach, so please excuse the erros which may have occurred above.

    09 Feb 2006, 01:27

  49. Remember this is the internet, and of course this means that I am 6'7, 20 stone, everyone loves me and I'm able to crush people like no wussy with my humongous e-penis. And, of course, I'm always right.

    Etc.

    09 Feb 2006, 01:33

  50. god vincent, you think you're street even though you're a philosophy student (confessed as "well skinny") who suffers in the middle class hell of warwick. listen mate, i'm not from the 'burbs either but i'm not deluded enough to think i'm gansta either like you do. just because you're in the safe middle class haven of warwick doesn't mean that you can claim that youre in the same league as that "no wussy's bloke". by the way, because someone is middle class doesnt mean that they cannot watch someone else's back. i'm not middle class at all but by agreeing with that other prat, you're making yourself look a fool.

    09 Feb 2006, 02:33

  51. Jimmy.

    Benjamin(brass society) and Jimmy. [...] you are just two typical wussy Warwick faggets.

    I, like Ben, find this highly amusing.

    I dont even need to read any more from ya.

    Bye then.

    Just a thought, if you went to any rough(ish) areas in coventry you would get the crap beaten of ya, simply cos you'd give off that vibe that you're pansy's [sic]

    Would I really? Coventry ain't that rough, mate. I've seen, been to, and (obviously) survived worse.

    yer, from my blog you probably figured i aint no geek, act like a rude bwoy, and love dissing pansy's. and you'd be right.

    So you're one of those "all-talk, no-action" arseholes? Yeah, think I got that.

    jimmy, dunno who you are, but don't be trying it mate. No need to get in an argument over nothing. You have no idea what you're talkin bout so best leave it.

    (1) What does "don't be trying it mate" imply? Don't threaten me, you pathetic little man. (2) Who's trying to get in an argument? I was merely stating a fact as I see it. (3) I have quite a good idea what I'm talking about, but thanks for your concern.

    What I'm saying is that certain people are easy targets and don't have the nous to help themselves on that score. I don't think there's much debatable in that.

    Sure, it's true; some people may be "easy targets." Not all. The phrase "people at Warwick are wussys" is a generalisation, an offensive one, and just because I'm intelligent and go to a good University doesn't mean I'm a target for… well, anyone, frankly.

    [...] I'm able to crush people like no wussy with my humongous e-penis.

    Lol, great phrase! :-D

    09 Feb 2006, 02:44

  52. ok. after reading what i posted earlier, it's evident that posting when very drunk isn't a good idea….

    09 Feb 2006, 10:26

  53. I think everyone shoud post when drunk, you're all so bloody funny!!!! Man I love his blog

    09 Feb 2006, 11:39

  54. How has this gone from a debate about security/safety on campus to a macho pissing-contest?

    09 Feb 2006, 12:25

  55. "How has this gone from a debate about security/safety on campus to a macho pissing-contest?"

    Because unfortunately some buffoon with the debating skills of a dead flea decided to join in on the topic by slinging insults around. Obviously the best thing to do with idiots like that is ignore them, but when you're personally insulted (albeit rather pathetically) it's rather hard to ignore. Having said that, I think Mr "No Wussy Wannabe Gangster But Actually A Total Prick" managed to make a complete pillock of himself without anybody's help, so maybe ignoring him WOULD have been best. Ah well. Drunk debating is fun.

    Can you tell I'm bored of my assignment?

    09 Feb 2006, 13:25

  56. Yes, James Lewis,...I was just about to say that you'd missed the point completely, but you've picked up on it yourself. Nice one.

    Instead there's "Jimmy", who has missed my point completely, then accused me of having a "simple mind" which if you ready to think about things instead of simply berating anonymous people for their lack of proper grammer, you'd see was not the case. That's where you don't know what you're talking about. You weren't stating any facts, you were trying to stir up a little argument, with what was actually an irrelevant comment.

    09 Feb 2006, 14:26

  57. no wussy

    Yeah innit like yeah man. I've got a confession to make innit – I'm the real faggot around here innit. I go around innit pretending to be street when really i'm some loser at Coventry Politechnic on course to get a third in Gardening studies and i'm jealous of anyone at a proper university.

    Feel sorry for me though man innit, I'm a faggot with a tiny nob innit

    09 Feb 2006, 16:53

  58. Jimmy.

    Vincent: Darn, caught red-handed. OK; I was trying to be rude, I admit it and I apologise. I'd like to correct a slight misinterpretation though. I was trying to say, based on some other comments I've read of yours in the past, that you seem to be the kind of person who, like "no wussy", enjoys making inflammatory statements simply to get attention and/or to provoke response. And then of course, my comment swept in and did exactly what I was basically accusing you of. Not really irony as much as idiocy on my part. Oh well. I wasn't specifically trying to target your lack of proper grammer [sic] or any other such pedantry.

    And I don't really think I did "miss the point", by the way, I just completely ignored it. I don't actually disagree with the opinion that "people can spot a middle class uni student from the 'burbs from far away" (though I'd argue some are harder to spot that others) but I did take rather personal offence to the sweeping generalisation that Warwick is "full of pansy's" [sic], and the idea that you might have agreed with that part of "no wussy"'s statement.

    And regarding comment #57… yes, well… whatever floats your boat, I guess. Go away now.

    09 Feb 2006, 18:02

  59. "And regarding comment #57… yes, well… whatever floats your boat, I guess. Go away now." – lol….nicely put

    09 Feb 2006, 18:13

  60. I'm the only really inflammatory nob of a blogger left. They barred all the rest. I get to stay because I'm so fit.

    09 Feb 2006, 18:16

  61. Hahaha! I have a confession to make as well… comment 57 was left by a mate of mine down in Oxford who I gave the link for this thread (from comment 33 onwards), and we had a good laugh about it. He thought calling me a "typical Warwick pansy" was particularly funny. (I'd like to clarify that he wasn't responsible for the first two "no wussy" comments, however.)

    09 Feb 2006, 18:38

  62. Craig

    I've been reading this thread since comment 33 and to be honest im getting the feeling that what this no wussy guy has got to say is valid to an extent. He can't generalise the entire campus as mentioned before, but he isn't far off the mark.

    Benjamin, you really are a pansy, and from what you've blogged so far, are probably just shy of my definition of the word.

    Vincent-Carroll has made some decent comments, ones which are debateable, but hey, what are these blogs for!

    09 Feb 2006, 22:30

  63. "Benjamin, you really are a pansy..."

    If you would care to elaborate, what exactly IS your definition of the word? And what parts of what I've blogged so far makes you think I fit it? Not that I really give a crap what you think, obviously… I'm just interested to know if you actually can explain your reasoning, or whether you're another "no wussy" with not much going on upstairs.

    09 Feb 2006, 22:54

  64. Benjamin why is everyone picking on you?

    09 Feb 2006, 23:20

  65. Not a clue. Not everyone is – it's only "no wussy" and Craig. Maybe because I'm a pansy? ;-)

    What are the IP addresses in comments 33, 43 and 62 by the way? Any chance they're the same person? I wouldn't be surprised.

    09 Feb 2006, 23:43

  66. glad we got that sorted out Jimmy, let us now continue in a better fashion, yes.

    10 Feb 2006, 14:42

  67. Gurbakash Singh

    A lot of trouble emerges from the Leamington sides. Maybe its just easier for them to attack students because they know if they are attending an event, they're bound to have money (for drinks etc…)

    10 Feb 2006, 16:50

  68. lilybett

    i love you, no wussy.

    11 Feb 2006, 21:08

  69. Obviously this is the end of the discussion

    12 Feb 2006, 12:28

  70. Benjamin(Brass Society) you are a wussy, you might as well face it…

    15 Feb 2006, 13:55

  71. Hey stop abusing people on the blog. You have no right to judge anyone else and this is not helping to facilitate any discussion. You want to abuse others go to the pub and pick a fight don't irritate me and others posting on my blog.

    16 Feb 2006, 11:41

  72. Sorry, should point out that I know Ben from Brass Soc and it was just light-hearted banter. I thought the comments had basically collapsed into farce and fancied having the last word because sometimes I just a child like that. Next time I see Ben in the pub I'll just punch him there and then.

    16 Feb 2006, 18:59

  73. aaah I seee…...my bad then ….But poor Ben's been accused of being a wussy twice already on this blog alone!

    Yea do punch him, pub fights are cool.

    16 Feb 2006, 20:07

  74. LOL!! Haha, that just gave me a good giggle. Sorry Udayan, no offence intended. Paul – you, me, Graduate after the AGM next Wednesday, loser buys a round. You're on :-p

    16 Feb 2006, 20:46

  75. Why not make it a rumble? Everyone in Brasssoc can "Punch the Pansy" that being you of course Ben :-P

    17 Feb 2006, 12:42

  76. I'm doing pressups and running up and down the steps in the piazza Rocky style all day… bring it on!

    Sorry, this is really just spam now isn't it… I'll go…

    20 Feb 2006, 10:59

  77. Demarco

    im a local if u get in my face or give it 10 then u will be on the floor my crew we are all cage fighters 1 punch thats all it takes to put some on the ground 2 punches and mayb a kick forget about it u will be in hospital so move bitch get out the way

    24 Feb 2006, 17:25

  78. good for you mate…...

    24 Feb 2006, 17:44

  79. You have to love the internet. It's full of such pleasant and honest people.

    28 Feb 2006, 17:14

  80. anon

    Security Manager is only interested in money!!!! He gets rid of anybody who wants to give the students, staff or visitors. Ask why only a couple of security are watching at the end of the union nights, one shift finishes at 1am thats why! The department is a waste of space, they only care about stabbing each other in the back!!!

    12 May 2007, 16:04


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