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1. ekameleon

   Hello :)

   Try my opensource framework VEGAS and this extensions :

   http://code.google.com/p/vegas/

   To install it you can read :

   http://code.google.com/p/vegas/wiki/InstallVEGASwithSVN

   In VEGAS you can find the extension AndromedAS with a full MVC/IOC/... tools

   Ex : http://code.google.com/p/andromed-as/wiki/TutorialsAndromedA_IOC

   you can read to for the moment my french tutorials about it :

   http://groups.google.com/group/vegasos/web/design-pattern-dinversion-de-contrle

   The english tutorials coming soon !

   VEGAS work in AS3 with Flash or Flex … but you can use it in AS2 and SSAS (Server Side ActionScript with Flash Media Server)

   EKA+ :)

   11 Sep 2008, 00:14

2. Marc Hughes

   Parsley is very good.

   http://www.spicefactory.org/parsley/

   11 Sep 2008, 02:12

3. Kim Hansen

   Check out Mate – it is very non-obtrusive and clean. I have experience with both Cairngorm and PureMVC, but lateley have fallen in love with Mate.

   11 Sep 2008, 15:00

4. Tech Per

   Hmm, not an easy choice to make. To me, I think none of the available frameworks are brilliant. But some are “good enough”. Currently, we have chosen to go with puremvc, but without prana. But I do not know, if it is the best.

   I think, that you need to be distinct on what an MVC framework is and gives you and what an IoC container is and gives you. They are not the same.

   Prana actually is born as a spring-like framework for as3. That is, as an IoC container only, that does the dependency injection for you. Later on, someone wrote some puremvc extensions for it. And in my opinion, these extensions are badly written. This is partly because puremvc doesn’t provide the neccessary hooks, to let prana do the object instantiation for you. In the end, you still end up with commands, mediators, ... they will just be PranaCommand, PranaMediator, ... with direct dependencies on prana framework as a result. Not good.

   With respect to Mate, is is not an IoC container, but it does provide some dependency injection facilities for the ui of it, which is a good thing. Just yesterday, I wrote an article on good and bad things in the Mate framework which you might find useful.

   With respect to puremvc, I am happy with it as “good enough” (without DI or IoC in any form), but only see it as “good enough” among the current contenders. There are so many abstractions, that hides the fact that the code is build on flex. There are so many ServiceLocator patterns. There are quite a lot of extra code to write. My Mediators, Commands and Proxies needs to inherit puremvc bases and hence are not just POJOs. And I could go on. Nevertheless, it works for us, and provides good MVC places to put the code. It keeps the code structured and untangles previous spaghetti.

   As I said. Not an easy choice :-) Today, I think I would either (a) go with Mate or, (b) write my own (as if any client would care to finance that).

   11 Sep 2008, 15:39

5. Steven Carpenter

   Thanks all for your helpful advice – I’ll certainly take a look at all the frameworks mentioned.

   11 Sep 2008, 20:10

6. MikeH

   Flicc is a new IOC container for Flex, but does not have the PureMVC / Cairngorm integration of Prana.

   12 Sep 2008, 11:26

7. *sigh*

   Flex/AS 3 has no true reflection…so there is no real IoC

   12 Sep 2008, 17:44

8. borf

   Prana is pretty good. we are using it now.

   You need to separate the differences between MVC frameworks and an IoC container before you make any decisions. As other posters have stated, you have things intermingled.

   Also for whatever IoC you end up choosing. I recommend creating a generic “container” interface with a getObject() like method. Then either subclass your chosen IoC container or write a wrapper class for it, then write your code against the generic simple “container” interface. Why? There is a TON of maturity that is going to go on in AS3/Flex in the IoC arena. Once the big players are sorted out, you want to be able to swap our your IoC container easily.

   26 Sep 2008, 23:41

9. borf

   Also just a followup, you may be better served by choosing an IoC framework project that ONLY does IoC, and likewise an MVC framework that ONLY does MVC. Reason being is that from experience in the Java word, projects that focus on one specialized area are often better and more mature than those that try to cover the whole gamit (i.e. mvc + ioc all bundled together)

   26 Sep 2008, 23:48

10. Tech Per

    Steven, I just wanted to let you know, that I just did a write-up of my negative experienced with puremvc – If you haven’t already chosen a framework by now :-)

    05 Oct 2008, 21:17

11. Steven Carpenter

    Brilliant, thanks Per – I was just about to start with a PureMVC/Prana project, so I’ll give it a read!

    06 Oct 2008, 09:10

12. Hem Talreja

    Steven,

    I have written a flex app using Swiz, it was real easy and quite fun, I will be posting a revised version of that application shortly.

    You can download the sample code from http://www.hemtalreja.com/?p=258

    Technologies used:
    ColdFusion using ColdSpring (a ColdFusion port of Spring)
    Flex using Swiz (a Flex port of Spring (partial))

    There is another IOC framework on Adobe’s website I cannot remember the name.

    Enjoy!!!

    Hem

    30 Dec 2008, 15:15

13. Amazuzu

    Hi,

    I’ve created yet another IoC framework called PARADE.

    http://code.google.com/p/paradeframework/wiki/UsageScenario

    Sure it not adhere to industry ioc standarts but truly satisfy all my ioc needs :)

    Regards

    01 Feb 2009, 10:11

14. args

    I am a little confused with this. I understand what are the benefits of using MVC framework and IoC container but at the same time I feel like both of them are doing the same thing. Both help you make reusable components. For MVC framework I would go for PureMVC and for IoC I’d choose Prana. But from here raises another question. Should I use MVC framework (like PureMVC) and IoC together or would that only complicate things?

    12 Feb 2009, 08:20