June 12, 2007

Safari

Writing about web page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6742439.stm

Well it's alright, I suppose, but I still prefer Firefox...

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  1. Mathew Mannion

    It seems to work okay. It’s pleasingly fast, but it’s butt fugly and it doesn’t display sites properly. The javascript, in particular, has a load of optimisations to back up Jobs’s cockiness that means that a lot of (e.g.) the date functions don’t work properly.

    12 Jun 2007, 02:00

  2. Really? I hadn’t looked into it that far; I’ve only briefly looked at a few sites to try it out. Apparently it’s about twice as fast as Firefox, but I’ve never noticed Firefox being overly slow so it doesn’t bother me…

    12 Jun 2007, 02:26

  3. Admittedly one of the websites I tried didn’t display properly…

    (Two DIVs – one empty with a CSS background and one with a little content. The JavaScript to make the empty DIV height equal the content DIV height doesn’t work in Safari.)

    12 Jun 2007, 02:29

  4. Mathew Mannion

    http://go.warwick.ac.uk/matmannion you can see the Javascript date functions clearly being fucked up there, showing NaN because it can’t parse JSON properly, which is a huge flaw nowadays.

    It seems that by default, the img element is display: block, which is absolutely ridiculous as it means you can’t float them to the left, or something along those lines. There’s no real reason why the favourites heart is bizarrely out of the line in blogs.

    Jobs said that Safari is the fastest browser on the web, that it opened faster than IE, Opera and Firefox, rendered HTML faster and did Javascript faster.

    Now, the HTML speed is impressive, as is the Javascript speed (I’d imagine because they do maths optimisations and therefore do not implement the whole Javascript stuff). However, it opens up at least ten times as slowly as Firefox (on Vista) and about the same speed as Opera and IE7, so Jobs is sprouting his usual shit and FUD about other products because he thinks he’s some kind of fucking God.

    Agh, it makes me so angry. Almost as angry as the way they say that Firefox and Safari support Vista, when in fact iTunes is horrificly slow and crashes all the time and neither support WDDM properly. If IE7 didn’t support Mac’s window manager technologies I think he’d probably point and laugh, the hypocrite. (Saying that, IE5 on the Mac is every web developer’s nightmare, so he has a point, there)

    12 Jun 2007, 07:51

  5. Steven Carpenter

    What’s annoying me most about Safari at the moment is that I can’t turn off the font smoothing. I can only set it to light/medium or strong, all of which look shit on my flat panel.

    12 Jun 2007, 13:42

  6. JavaScript Date: I see what you mean.

    Favourites heart: That’s just bad…

    Rendering Speed: It does seem quite quick, but I haven’t noticed an appreciable difference to Firefox. One thing I do like, though, is how it handles CSS background images; Firefox seems to wait for the whole image to load then stick it in, whereas Safari displays it as it loads.

    Font smoothing: I’d noticed that; all the text looks fat…

    Another little thing I’ve just thought of: Its annoying that Safari doesn’t select the whole address when I click in the address bar; I’m lazy and don’t want to have to “End, Shift-Home” all the time…

    12 Jun 2007, 13:57

  7. Try logging into e-bay using it; I got this message;

    Message from eBay
    To effectively use eBay, we recommend upgrading your Web browser. Benefits of upgrading include the use of the latest security updates and support of interactive Web features.

    12 Jun 2007, 14:47

  8. That’s not half as funny as the message you get if you click on the “How to Upgrade” button:

    You are currently using: Safari 1.0
    You can upgrade to:
    Download Firefox

    12 Jun 2007, 14:56

  9. Richard Cunningham

    Does anyone else think the only reason they released this for Windows was to give access to Safari to the vast majority of web designers and programmers? so they can fix their sites to work on Safari on the Mac and, more importantly for Apple, the iPhone.

    12 Jun 2007, 15:25

  10. I wondered that, because all the time I’ve been using it to look at my websites I’ve been thinking “Hmmm… that doesn’t work properly in Safari; I shall have to look into that…”

    12 Jun 2007, 15:27

  11. I use safari on the mac and haven’t experienced any of the problems listed here. Looks like a Windows thing which will get ironed out in future versions.

    17 Jun 2007, 16:59

  12. Amir

    I’m a big Mac fanboy, I’m running Vista via Boot Camp on my Mac Book Pro. I’ve been told that Safari offers a modest increase in rendering performance but it’s not worth the deficiencies in usability and flexibility.

    01 Jul 2007, 19:50


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