November 10, 2005

Intelligent Design or Evolution?

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The debate about the place of intelligent design in modern science is a controversial one with strong opinions on both sides of the argument.

You may have read recently that Professor Steve Fuller, a member of the University of Warwick's Department of Sociology, testified for the defence in the Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area School District case.

We invited Steve to debate some of the principles and arguments for including ID in the curriculum with Professor Jack Cohen, another Warwick University professor and an expert on biological sciences.

You can hear the debate via the page linked above – you can either listen over the web or download an MP3 to listen at your leisure.

Note that the discussion lasts for about an hour – get some coffee and a bun…

Note that there is the option to subscribe to future debates and interviews with Warwick staff.

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  1. Is Jack Cohen the same one who co-authored the Science of Discworld books? I know that the Ian Stewart here is, didn't realise we had both of them. The most recent in the series is an incredibly well-written overview of evolution.

    10 Nov 2005, 14:20

  2. It is he. Watch out for an interview with Ian Stewart about the Science of the Discworld books – we will be publishing more of these soon.

    10 Nov 2005, 14:54

  3. Hi Tom,

    Well done getting the podcasts up and running. I'm not sure I'm going to be able to listen to the whole hour though as the whole subject just annoys me :)

    Just a small note on the encoding, it sounds like it is only coming through on the left channel.

    10 Nov 2005, 16:03

  4. Hmm – i thought we'd cracked the left channel thing – I'll have to go back and have another look – which version are you using?

    BTW - the next one is shorter. Jack and Steve went at it full blast.

    10 Nov 2005, 20:18

  5. Andrew Rowell

    I have a couple of questions for Prof Cohen….

    1. You said that Dembski's maths was "nonsence"... can you explain what you meant?
    2. You said that after a few days work in the library you found lots(I think you said lots or may be several) of structures intermediate on the way to a bacterial flagellum. I am aware of the Type 2 Secretory system but I am not aware of any good homologies with the motor components… would you mind sharing your research?

    11 Nov 2005, 16:24

  6. Alan Cox

    Tremendous listening. Thanks for making this available.

    At one point Prof Cohen seems to doubt whether anyone will be listening. Please be assured that they have listened and enjoyed the discussion. As someone who is on the Prof Cohen side of the argument I'm now a wondering where one goes to find out more about the design perspective Prof Fuller describes, wherein it is not necessary to assume the existence of a designer. Is there an echo here of what Daniel Dennett calls the 'intentional stance'. Where do I go to learn more?

    A (short) set of references would be useful.

    13 Jan 2006, 10:41

  7. Alan – I am glad you found it interesting – hope the other podcasts have been as good to listen too.

    You might want to start with Professor Fuller's webapge – link where you should find a range of articles and publications that should prove useful.

    13 Jan 2006, 12:00

  8. Aaron

    I greatly enjoyed the podcast!! It is completely refreshing to see two suppositional standpoints argued so evenly. As stated in the podcast, the possibility of this being done in the schools is remote; however, if it could be approached in such a manner in our schools, I think great steps could be achieved.

    P.S. I have read some of the articles on Prof. Fullers website; very interesting. Have a great day!

    08 Feb 2006, 14:48

  9. Aaron Anthony

    Hey Tom,

    Did I read that Dr. Stevens will hold a lecture outlining Intelligent Design on Feb 22? If so, will it be available via podcast? Thanks Aaron

    09 Feb 2006, 19:44

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