November 17, 2004

Disgusting racist abuse during England match

I don't know how many people were watching the England friendly against Spain (never was there a less apt description); however, anyone who did cannot but have noticed the sickening abuse from the crowd whenever a black England player took the ball. I don't know if they thought that making monkey noises was clever (or why they thought it was acceptable), but it did show an extremely ugly side of human nature which, to be honest, sometimes makes me ashamed to share a continent with the offendors. It's evident that something has to be done to stamp out such a foul practice.

Yours,

Outraged of Earlsdon.


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  1. It really made me angry. If I was one of the black England players, I wouldn't have been able to restrain myself. It really does say a lot for the players that they tried their best to just ignore it and get on with the (completely rubbish and boring) game.
    Its horrendous that people of any ethnicity should have to put up with that, and when you see things like that it makes you wonder why Africa doesn't just attack every white country in the world.
    Its shameful, and it makes me embarrassed to be in the same Continent as them. I've been wanting to get this off my chest ever since the match finished, and I'm sorrry that I'm going on, but I can't overcome how fucking angry these ignorant fools make me feel!

    17 Nov 2004, 23:30

  2. It was rather bizarre, as racism isn't a big factor in Spanish football, certainly not to the extent that it is as a number of English and Italian clubs.

    It may well have something to do with the fact that ticket prices for the game were extremely cheap, meaning that any racist group would have found it easy to get large numbers of people into the ground for little cost.

    17 Nov 2004, 23:52

  3. I bet if England fans had been chanting the abuse we would be kicked out of the tourney, castigated by the world media and not allowed to play in Europe for six years. I bet Spain get a little slap on the wrist and fined a few euro.

    17 Nov 2004, 23:58

  4. That's nonsense: by far the most serious action taken by FIFA or UEFA in recent years was against the Italian team Roma. England have never incurred strong penalties from international footbal authorities for non-violent offences, and neither has any other nation. Whether or not this is right, it remains the case that fines of varying degrees of severity are the standard punishment for racist crowd behaviour.

    18 Nov 2004, 00:02

  5. On the major issues in the game – hooliganism and racism – if it is England, we would probably be kicked out of the competitions

    Said by Gary Neville.

    18 Nov 2004, 21:21

  6. I doubt Gary Neville is really an authority on the history of UEFA fines and punishments.

    19 Nov 2004, 03:48

  7. What on earth does James Hughes (posting above) mean when he says: "it makes you wonder why Africa doesn't just attack every white country in the world"?

    Do you not think that this is ignorance? If you wish Africa to attack us – because some individuals were expressing these views – then perhaps you will permit Britain to launch an attact on Zimbabwe, where the racism aginst White Zimbabweans (like myself) is utterly blantant and increasingly violent. As an aside, which countries, exactly, are 'white countries'? Mabye some in Europe, although one would be pushed to find a purely 'white' population, i'm quite sure.

    What is then really annoying is when people like James Hughes are given license to express views that contain more ignorance than anything those Spanish fans did (this is not to excuse racism)

    20 Nov 2004, 22:40

  8. "Its horrendous that people of any ethnicity should have to put up with that, and when you see things like that it makes you wonder why Africa doesn't just attack every white country in the world."

    This is a joke I take it?

    "It really made me angry. If I was one of the black England players, I wouldn't have been able to restrain myself. It really does say a lot for the players that they tried their best to just ignore it and get on with the (completely rubbish and boring) game."

    Yes it was disgraceful, they should have just walked off. But culture in Spain is very, very different from what it is here. That doesn't excuse what happened, but certainly helps explain it.

    Brandon, welcome to England. How long have you been here?

    20 Nov 2004, 22:55

  9. brandon, i respect your comment but feel that you dont understand james hughes comment. He was not justifying africa to attack "white countries" (even though this term is absurd), he was saying that the hatred fostered by such acts will just reinforce any percieved divides. Racism is not a one way act, but it is not defensible either way.

    21 Nov 2004, 00:12

  10. Can you understand such a ridiculous comment? I certainly tried too. And there are clearly better ways to express one's aversion to racial abuse, consequently we can't excuse such comments, as they only further burden 'white countries' with charges of racial ignorance. It then adds to the already nonsensical guilt complex of these 'white nations', and fails to root out the more pervasive racism that one will find in many third world 'non-white' countries. So i cannot, Steve, accept your accusation that i 'dont' understand'.

    21 Nov 2004, 09:38

  11. A very well fought arguement brandon, and a point to which i must concede. But he was not saying that he in any way justified attacks based on racism any way, while he worded it in such a way as to show that his understanding of racism is not as full as he may hope. He carries on the percieved divide in racism by saying that it makes you wonder why Africa doesnt attack every "white country", well the reason why is that a). these countries dont exist and b). it is racist to assume that because a group of people from a race act in a certain way that everyone of that race acts in that way or feels the same. So an attack against the countries seen to be on the other side of the divide would make racism worse. Like a war on terror, fought with terror, can never succeed – terrorism isnt just a way of thinking, its enviromental. A war on terror should be fought by eliminating cause for terrorism by either side and not by eye for an eye vengenance. James, while it was good to be disgusted by such hideous racism, you should think about the racism involved in attacking white countries – would this not just be another hideous act?

    21 Nov 2004, 11:30

  12. Indeed. Steve you make a fair point.

    I think, however, that we need to hear again from James; we should afford him the opportunity to qualify his statement, before this arguement can continue.

    21 Nov 2004, 13:38

  13. Thankyou for that comment brandon, Of course it was not meant in all seriousness, I'm sorry that you chose to interpret it that way. I was merely expressing that it can't have made black people feel overly joyous. Its a shame you chose to read it that way.
    p.s. Also, well done on being yet another blogger who seems incapable of expressing an opinion about somebody else that isn't an absolute.
    "It is really annoying when people like James Hughes are given the right to express…."
    Well done, 10/10 for being reasonable.

    21 Nov 2004, 21:46

  14. Sorry, that sounded angrier than it was meant to, I didn't mean that. I just meant to say that I do understand racism – I went to Diocesan College (Bishop's) in South Africa for a while, so I know first hand what it is like there, and the term "white countries" was rushed because I was so damn frustrated at what the Spaniards were doing ! In hindsight, it looks like a pretty ridiculous thing to say.

    21 Nov 2004, 21:59


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