April 25, 2007

Smoking ban

Writing about web page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/6583865.stm

Call me an insensitive non-smoker, but this makes little sense to me:

Smokers should be given time off work to quit before the 1 July ban, NHS experts say.

Do smokers need time off to stop smoking?? I thought that not smoking was something you could do whilst doing other things?

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  1. Mathew Mannion

    There was a report out today that shows that smokers take on average 8 days off extra every year than non-smokers. If a smoker can take 8 days off work and quit smoking, everybody wins in the long run.

    25 Apr 2007, 13:39

  2. Eleanor Lovell

    But why do they need time off to quit? I know plenty of people who have managed to quit smoking and hold down a job!!

    25 Apr 2007, 13:52

  3. Steve Rumsby

    Some people find it easier than others to give up, though, don’t they? I’m a non-smoker too, so I’ve no idea what it is like. I do know a few people who have tried several times and failed each time. For such people, support would help I guess. And lots of the NHS-run “giving up” courses happen during the day. I do also know people who have done just as you suggest, and managed to give up without needing time off.

    Just to even things up a bit, there was an item about this on BBC Breakfast this morning, and one of the people interviewed was a smoker who didn’t think it was fair to be given time off work to quit. After all, it was her choice to start, and her problem to quit (her words).

    25 Apr 2007, 14:03

  4. Does this mean us non-smokers should get time off to help us prepare for our nicotine-withdrawn colleagues?

    25 Apr 2007, 17:09

  5. I must admit that spending such long hours at work each day have really got me thinking about starting smoking. It’s the system you know, they want us to start smoking! etc.
    Perhaps people could ignore them or slap them about a bit for having picked such a stupid bloody habit in the first place. Why placate them anymore?

    26 Apr 2007, 07:48

  6. Steve Rumsby

    26 Apr 2007, 16:45

  7. Eleanor Lovell

    Do we then get paid time off to stop smoking as well?

    26 Apr 2007, 16:47

  8. I see a happy endless cycle of all pay and no work!

    26 Apr 2007, 17:34

  9. I want all the time I didn’t spend being paid whilst on ciggie breaks backdated and delivered to me in the form of three paid weeks of sitting round at home!

    26 Apr 2007, 18:19

  10. I would quite like some time off (I’m a non-smoker) but I’ve run out of holiday leave for the year.

    Oh wait! I know! I’ll start smoking, then I can give up smoking, then I can have some time off. :-)

    26 Apr 2007, 20:31

  11. John Waller

    If non-smokers didn’t insist on all these daft smoking bans, I would be able to smoke at my desk or in the lecture theatre and do useful work at the same time.

    So it’s all your fault.

    27 Apr 2007, 15:31

  12. Nick Howes

    I’m not a smoker, but I’ve just tried a Nicotinell… they’re horrible and tingly! I feel a bit sick actually. No wonder it’s so hard to give up.

    27 Apr 2007, 17:25

  13. I’m an ex-smoker but actually quit on the job so I suppose I must have some time accrued to me but not yet taken.

    I thought the old argument was that non-smokers needed extra time off to match the time all the smokers were spending away from their desks and therefore not working. Now it’s the smokers who need the extra time off… it’s great when a plan comes together, isn’t it. All that research and they’ve just come up with two opposing conclusions!

    30 Apr 2007, 15:20

  14. NICE decreed that implementing this would actually represent a cost saving to employers, as companies supposedly lose about £300+ per smoking worker per annum.

    Is this, therefore, grounds for smokers to be paid a smaller salary?

    30 Apr 2007, 19:22

  15. Katharine Widdows

    I have just been given an hour off to attend a stop-smoking session. The time off you refer to is not just randomly assigned, it is to attend specific appointments, as they are seen in the same light as a doctors appointment.

    I have to admit though, even as a smoker, I find it an odd concept, and I expected to have to take the time as Annual Leave. It is good to be given this support from an employer – and in the long run, if smokers really do have more time off sick than non-smokers, then giving me a total of 3 hours, split over a space 3 months, to help me become a non-smoker, is a good move.

    I am surprised to get anything atall, but don’t over react – its not as if smokers are taking weeks and weeks off work for this!

    02 May 2007, 11:59

  16. James

    Holly hit the nail on the head – smokers have for years taken ciggie breaks and racked up countless hours away from their desks as a result. Now they want yet more time off. Having a laugh, I say. The co-workers didn’t compel them to start smoking, everyone’s known for decades that it is a harmful and anti-social habit, so it is the smokers, not everyone else, who should suffer and pay for it.

    Then again, they used to save the NHS and state pensions a bundle by snuffing it earlier than the rest of us, so maybe this isn’t such a good thing …

    14 May 2007, 14:50

  17. charl

    Stop critising others decisions we ALL have the right to make our own decisions and the freedom to express them. As long as smokers smoke within the confinements of their own space, within their own time i.e breaks etc, what is the problem? The problem is the big brother state this country is fast becoming, soon we will all have to report every movement we make!!! How about educate people in repect and proper communication as oposed to telling them what they shouldn’t be doing.

    16 May 2007, 12:15

  18. No, the problem is that they smoke when they feel like in my space.

    In after fail.

    16 May 2007, 20:08

  19. Delsana

    It’s not the fact that the smokers are being controlled, it’s the fact that smokers are smoking near others giving them second hand smoke, and killing them.

    They also smell horrible.

    25 May 2007, 16:09

  20. James

    I dont think there’s anything wrong with smoking. I understand your point that smokers go on fag breaks but what about all the other breaks people take? surely going to get a coffee is just fulfilling an addiction too? I say keep smoking and non-smoking sections in bars and restaurants, then surely both parties will be kept happy? With the new law fastly approaching im a bit worried about how im going to cope. A colleague of mine reccomended i try nicofix, apparently its like a gel that you rub into your hands. Ive been told it takes away your craving. sounds interseting, worth a try as theres no way im going to give in and quit!

    08 Jun 2007, 11:30

  21. People need to drink to survive. Having a cup of coffee doesn’t affect those around you. People don’t need to drink to survive. Having a smoke does affect those around you. Rubbish argument as a drinks break fulfils a basic human function.

    And no, your segregation idea is bad too. The smoke still wafts about, the mess still has to be cleaned up afterwards, and staff going into that area would still be exposed to your smoke whether they want to be or not.

    Still yet to see a competent and reasoned pro-smoking argument.

    16 Jun 2007, 11:22

  22. Smokist

    www.smokism.co.uk is a religion followed by smokists who are currently petitioning to make Smokism an official religion.

    27 Jun 2007, 13:06

  23. I looked at that link and immediately came across the first massive flaw in the logic. Smokists say:

    If you buy it and pay tax on it you should be able to do what you want with it. You wouldn’t tell someone when or where they could eat or drink!

    No, but I’d damn well tell people not to drive their cars at 60mph in a built up area with a school nearby. And that’s a lot more tax than on ciggies. Try again.

    28 Jun 2007, 11:47

  24. smithy321

    a smoke when i want to smoke…...http://www.water-bongs-glass-pipes.com/ advice 2U

    08 Nov 2007, 17:33

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