January 12, 2007

Kids should stay in school until they're 18

There’s been a strong reaction to the Government’s plans to raise the school leaving age to 18. Some of it’s been a bit misguided – Donal Blaney thinks the school leaving age should be lowered rather than raised, but he also thinks the plans mean forcing kids to be in the classroom (which they don’t.)

Praguetory says Labour wants you in shackles till 18 and then working until you’re dead. But he also seems to assume that 16-18 year olds know what’s best for themselves.

They don’t.

Very few of the people who leave school at 16 end up as millionaires thanks to their own entrepreneurship. They end up on the dole, living off the benefits which Tories despise. If they get jobs they’ll be low-paid ones.

The Tories are sticking to their tedious line of thinking the bottom rung of society should be left to drift. They then complain when they do just that. A lot of kids need another two years of schooling or training, even if they don’t know it. They shouldn’t be expected to learn geology, Latin or maths for another two years. But training them to do something useful, and give them the skills needed for a career can only be a good thing, especially if we’re so keen to get people off benefits.


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  1. Am I alone in thinking that the government is proposing this to keep people off the unemployment figures?

    13 Jan 2007, 01:03

  2. Praguetory

    I meet a lot of bright 22 year old graduates who seem to have gained little from their higher education. In my own case, most of my fellow graduates could have done my three year economics degree in one year. I’d like to see scope for vastly accelerated formal learning for the brightest and a massive intensive focus on those kids whose literacy and numeracy is not up to scratch as soon as it is identifed.

    13 Jan 2007, 19:36

  3. Gareth Herbert

    Maybe those extra two years spent learning about Plato or Hemmingway will help them learn about the most civilised and rational way with which to approach their future job working in McDonalds.

    How much extra tax are the rest of us going to be paying forcing kids to stay in school for an extra two years when they showed neither the aptitude or the wish to stay there in the first place. You want to help kids from disadvantaged backgrounds leave school with some sense of future and purpose then this government might want to start focusing on tradeskills like plumbing or even carpentry rather than indulging this utopian fantasy that we’re all going to grow emotionally from being forced to read Niccolo Machiavelli’s ‘The Prince’. Many of the students dropped out of school, not just because they weren’t terribly academic but because they failed to see the relevance of the likes of history or maths – I’ll tell you what though, there are a damn lot of them who displayed a good deal more practical skill (particularly in the technologies) than I will ever possess. Why oh why, these children are not being offered the opportunity to learn a truly useful trade from a younger age that would benefit both themselves and the nation as a whole from a much earlier age is something that is totally beyond me.

    I just re-read your post, I appreciate that my polemic re Plato and Hemmingway was not what you were suggesting, but why wait until 16? There are plenty of kids at the age of 14 who are just crying out for a sense of direction in life (even though they might not know it), by the age of 16, you’ve already lost most of them. As for Tory policy on the issue – give me a quote by any leading Tory that we’re just going to abandon the bottom rung of society, let’s not deal in stereotypes here, looking for solutions is so much more productive.

    18 Jan 2007, 04:40

  4. noz

    i think it should stay at 16 years of age

    18 Jan 2007, 11:31

  5. robert

    i think kids should stay at school as they’ll get better employment

    02 Feb 2007, 11:52

  6. bobalobashobalobadingdong

    i think it is stupid that kids have to stay in school until 18!

    02 Feb 2007, 11:59

  7. shampiampi

    i think it is terrible keeping kids in school until 18 because they will be driving to school and there will be nowhere to park and it will just be stupid keeping them in until they are 18

    02 Feb 2007, 12:08

  8. Mark K

    Keeping kids in school should purely be down to choice of those going. There are so many people out there that would benifit from doing something like an apprentiship or a similar scheme. Then again there are others like myself who stayed on, now in Unviersity. A singular proposal cannot cover everyones view in the country so can it be worth doing? As with the parking comment above get the bus!

    15 Feb 2007, 13:27

  9. April

    THIS IS GREAT CHILDREN SHOULDN’T LEAVE SCHOOL WHEN THEY’RE 18 BECAUSE THEY’LL HAVE TO WIT LOONGER TO START A CAREER ALSO BECAUSE IF THEY WANT TO BE A FOOTBALLER THEY WON’T NEED TO KNOW HOW TO SPEAK LATIN OR FRENCH.

    07 Mar 2007, 20:44

  10. April

    The Goverment is attempting to try and persuade people that this will help children have better futures, but the truth is that they may be keeping them away from from what their destined to be by keeping them locked up in classrooms having less than alf an hour lunch so half an hour to be able to socialice with other people.

    Children may not need to know how to speak french or latin or they may not need to learn algebra so technichally the goverment is seem to be sort of punishing children by forcing them to learn how to do things they not need to use or know when they’re older.

    Therefore this could send them doing a completely different thing compared to what they wanted to be also this could also disrupt the lives of others such as if they’re bank workers.

    07 Mar 2007, 20:53

  11. Sofi Howard

    When Is This Ban If It Happens Comin In To Action!!

    To Be Honest I Think They Should Cos I Will Help Most People Achieve To Thier Fullest And Eaier To Get A Job!

    02 May 2007, 17:38

  12. David

    “there will be nowhere to park” is what I think is a pretty pathetic comment for the fact that the last thing that people will think about is parking their cars when they are 17-18 and still in education. Look at the other problems such as tax rises, and all you can think about is parking spaces.
    sighs

    03 May 2007, 12:43

  13. jada

    Personally, i think that these plans are stupid. I am in full time education at the moment and after a while it does get too much. I think that it should stay at 16 – no lower, no higher. I do not know what the government think they will achieve by doing this. If someone has no will to do something, in this case stay on at school, then theres a large chance they will just rebel against it.

    05 May 2007, 19:26

  14. kelly

    hello ur sexy

    15 May 2007, 08:48

  15. kelly

    we should stay at school till we are 15 not any older then go to 6th form when we are 16 so we can get on with our lifes without stayin at schoolxxxxxxxx

    15 May 2007, 08:50

  16. billy

    stay at school till were 14/15 xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    15 May 2007, 08:52

  17. DAVID GAREAU

    you should stay in school until you are 18 years old because if you drop out at 16, when you get old enough to realize you needed the education you will also realize that you waisted your time working in some crap job like sobeys! at this time, my marks in school are quite low but im not going to drop out i want a good job such as a pharmasist or chemical enganeer. I only care about the coarses i nees for my future career not some stupid religion class.

    16 May 2007, 14:28

  18. unknown

    tony blair is the british prime minister!!

    16 May 2007, 14:31

  19. jam

    it is rediculuss but funny hahahahahahahahahaha

    05 Jun 2007, 10:11

  20. sugar

    its funny lol i wont be there shame on my brother

    05 Jun 2007, 10:14

  21. jam jamxx

    shame on all them kids hu have to stay in school untill there 18 i am leaveing in next yr hahahaha:):)

    05 Jun 2007, 10:15

  22. sugar sugar xx

    how funny rofl lol lol lol lol lol lol sugar luvs dani

    05 Jun 2007, 10:16

  23. billy bull shit

    I fink this is a load ov shit to be frank hu wants to stay at school half vtheir life when they can be gatin pised and actually grow up and not treated lyke a spaz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL P.S.sad website

    11 Jun 2007, 10:24

  24. walu

    I am Walu i like chocolate and icecream. Ohhhhhhh yes food!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    11 Jun 2007, 10:31

  25. David

    Walu got fisted up the bum yesterday …...by alison mcautrieAnd kelly stringer yeaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!2007

    11 Jun 2007, 10:31

  26. sugar

    tony blair sucks cock

    19 Jun 2007, 09:40

  27. Mark

    i hope the above comments are all joking, otherwise they are all prime examples of why kids need to stay in school.

    19 Jun 2007, 15:55

  28. ashley

    im just gunna give you a few reasons why children shouldnt be forced to stay in the jail people call ‘school’ . Its a known fact.. everybody hates school unless your a loser with no friends and spends their time reading mathamatic book. schoool is rank … full of bossy old grannies pushin you about and tellin you not to smoke in the toilets. i will smoke were i want to thank you very pissin much. im sick of bein treated like an insent. im in my first year of college now and to be honest i think its so much better than school .. more freedom and thats what children need. if you keep then restricted then they are goin to rebel. im starting to get angry now so ill leave it at this …. the goverment sucks ! suck urselves !

    13 Nov 2007, 11:37

  29. sally

    well first of i think marks gay u nob ed
    dont tell us what to do we r leavin at 16666666 get over it asshole ps i have just had a sloppy poo

    13 Nov 2007, 11:37

  30. angela

    sally? .... i was just wondering .. was it nutty? did it hurt ur bum bum ? i love having a poo .. it so releiving. mmmmmmm sloppy poooooooooo. ....... STICK YOUR FINGER IN MY ASS!!!!!!!!

    13 Nov 2007, 11:40


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