June 02, 2010

Debating Anonymity for Rape Defendants: Reponse to Comments on the Letter to my MP.

Follow-up to Letter to Chris White, MP for Leamington, on the law to give anonymity to rape defendants from The Midnight Heart

OK, I have a few points. (I would note though in passing that Karl, the person who took issue with my letter, has some awful misconceptions about what feminism is.)

1. Rapists tend to be men
If you want to get down to it, what I research is sexual violence, which is something that tends to happen to women more. As Mollie Whalen writes:

The vast majority of the entire range of sexually violent acts on our society is perpetrated by adult heterosexual males on females of all races, social classes, ages, and sexualities. The second highest incidence of sexual violence is perpetrated by adult heterosexual males on other males – either adult gay male or male children. (p. 137 in Counseling to End Violence Against Women)

Given this fact, I see no problem in researching this area specifically in relation to women, though actually I do include male survivors and child survivors of sexual violence in my research too. I’m afraid that it is simply not correct to say that ‘Men are the primary victims of all violence from men & women alike’, and it is certainly not accurate to suggest that feminists are only interested in women’s rights. You suggest that in seeking to prevent anonymity for rape defendants, I am seeking a situation where ‘women benefit over men’, but I would point out that denying this kind of anonymity would also benefit male survivors of rape.

2. Clarification of Conviction Rates
The conviction rate for rape cases is around 6%. This figure has not been made up – it comes from a respected Home Office report titled ‘A Gap or a Chasm? Attrition in Reported Rape Cases’ by Liz Kelly, Jo Lovett and Linda Regan. This is what it says:

Home Office figures show an ongoing decline in the conviction rate for reported rape cases, putting it at an all-time low of 5.6 per cent in 2002. This year-on-year increase in attrition represents a justice gap that the government has pledged to address. (p. 10)

The debate regarding the 6% figure emerged because Baroness Stern pointed out that after a rapist is charged, 60% are convicted, but it is important to note that many simply are never charged with the crime. Kelly, Lovett and Regan admit this saying:

All UK studies of attrition in rape cases concur that the highest proportion of cases is lost at the earliest stages, with between half and two-thirds dropping out at the investigative stage, and withdrawal by complainants one of the most important elements. (p. 12)

This simply doesn’t happen with other kinds of crimes and it is just not good enough, especially when the large majority of rape cases go unreported. The reason for having a special method for looking at rape conviction rates is precisely because it is a crime that so often goes unreported in a way that does not apply to other crimes like assault, burglary etc.

3. Clarification of Rates of False Allegations

Feminist researchers do include false rape allegations in their research. Kelly, Lovett and Regan who wrote ‘A Gap or a Chasm? Attrition in Reported Rape’ write the following:

There are false allegations, and possibly slightly more than some researchers and support agencies have suggested. However, at maximum they constitute nine per cent and probably closer to three per cent of all reported cases. (p. 99)

This is what Baroness Stern described too: the “one in ten” figure reported by the newspapers, but remember that this means that 90% of women are telling the truth. I would also add that these figures are not very different from the rates of false allegations for other crimes, but with no other crime is there so much focus on whether the victim is telling the truth or not.

4. Widespread Mistrust of Women Reporting Rape

I’m afraid that there is widespread mistrust of women reporting a rape. In a British poll conducted by Amnesty International in 2006, substantial numbers of respondents blamed the survivor for her own rape if she was drunk (37%), if she was wearing sexy or revealing clothing (26%), or if she had many sexual partners (22%). Juries are also less likely to find a rapist guilty in cases where the assailant is known to the woman, where a weapon has not used or where the rape survivor has not sustained incapacitating physical injury. All of these responses reveal the power of rape myths surrounding women’s consent to sexual acts and these myths are reflected in the media.

5. Why Women Need the Opportunity to Come Forward While a Case is Being Held

Prosecution of rape cases often depends on the ability of the rape survivor to testify in a convincing manner. This can be extremely difficult, however, in the face of hostile defence legal strategies like “whacking”, where the defence lawyer seeks to intimidate and humiliate the survivor in order to discredit her (or him). If more victims of a rapist that is being tried come forward during the case, there is a greater chance that the jury will believe the rape survivor’s story. If the defendant has anonymity, it’s possible that his name will never be broadcast. Would John Worboys, “the black cab rapist”, or others like him, have been convicted as a serial rapist if so many courageous women survivors had not come forward after reading about him in the news?

6. There Should Either Be Anonymity for All or for None – Not Just for Rape Defendants

My final point would be to ask you why rape defendants in particular need anonymity. If defendants are going to be given anonymity, then it should apply to all defendants – murder defendants, GBH defendants, burglary defendants etc. But hardly anyone is suggesting that. The fact is that there is a huge paranoia about false rape allegations to the extent that defendants of rape are being given special privileges. You say that you would not want to see your son’s life destroyed by a rape allegation, but equally, I would not want a daughter’s or a son’s rapist to go unpunished.


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  1. Karl

    So you rely on another feminist to substantiate your feminism? Nice. I’ve noted over the years that feminists rarely, if ever, allow their ‘studies’ to be peer-reviewed, making them scientifically worthless. I also have noted that most feminist ‘studies’ tend to be subjective rather than objective and typically rely on one another’s work to substantiate themselves. They also tend to be agenda-driven (to blame men or absolve women of any accountability for their own actions).

    If we argued about the wage-gap, and I responded to you with “Well, Warren Farrell says it doesn’t exist – so there!”, would you listen and assume it must be right? Of course not! And I couldn’t blame you… So why would I be silly enough to listen to yet more feminist promotion of misandry (always men’s fault for violence – never women’s) when you rely on another misandrist to support your position?

    The only real difference between my imaginary situation above and your example, is Warren Farrell doesn’t hate women nor does he promote hatred of women by blaming them for everything wrong in the world. Feminists typically do blame men for everything or try to absolve women of any accountability (usually by resorting to blaming men for it instead).

    Rapists do tend to be men, correct. In fact, in English law it is impossible for a woman to rape as the act of rape requires a penis – something feminists oftentimes seem so jealous of. That level of legally imposed discrimination clearly favours that men will be the only ones truly accountable for such a crime. However, I do recognise there are situations which allow females to be recognised as ‘rapists’ such as statutory rape. It also comes as no surprise that no feminist to my knowledge has ever challenged the legal definition of rape at this level. Yes, they’re tried to redefine rape (dilute it), but not to include women of course. They predictably prefer that any discrimination which favours women remain intact, and so eagerly turn a blind eye.

    If you were to review government sources as opposed feminist agenda-driven ‘studies’ you would find plenty of credible sources identifying that men make up the majority of victims of all crimes involving violence, bar rape itself. However, prison rape is never included and feminists own ‘studies’ on rape have systematically (at least until the very recent times) ignored any male input on the issue so as to skew the government & public perception.

    03 Jun 2010, 02:07

  2. karl

    It’s not that I think the 6% figure is made up per se. However, I note that Harriet (I hate teh evul menz) Harman was deceptive in how she presented the figures. However, it begs the question – where do feminists get their figures for the unreported rapes, if they’re unreported? Many crimes go unreported. I’ve have vehicles stolen which went unreported, I’ve been assaulted (by men & women, not just men) and most have gone unreported and I’ve seen friends & family endure various crimes which have also gone unreported. For example, a male friend of mine has been technically (though not legally) raped – yet he cannot pursue any kind of legal recourse due to the sexist wording of the rape laws. The most he could ever hope for is to see the woman charged with a minor crime, which naturally reinforces the skewed perception of rape as a crime. Ask most school-age boys if they have been kicked or hit in the privates by a female student and I guarantee that at LEAST 50% will confirm they have. By all accounts, this is sexual abuse/battery/assault – yet they all go unreported. Boys may have a thing for pinging a bra or stealing a tweak of a nipple here or there, but that does not compare to being kicked harshly between the legs and left out of breath for a few minutes with eyes watering and unable to compose themselves due to a debilitating pain inflicted ‘for fun’ by a random girl. When I was in school, girls would run passed a line of boys (outside a changing room, waiting for dinner, etc.) and play ‘whack a sack’ to see which boy would crumple and which would remain standing. I strongly doubt many of the boys bothered to report it.

    Claiming that at most 10% of reports are proven to be ‘false allegations’ does not at all suggest the remaining 90% are definitely true accounts – it suggests that some are true and some cannot be determined either-way while some simply cannot be proven. See, I am able to look at it objectively – while you imply (in fact, outright state) that 90% must be true.

    Contrary to this 10%, I have read of several reports which go as high as 60% to be proven as false allegations. One police department in England found 60% of the rape claims came up as false once evidence of the contrary was presented – by the accusers own admission without prompting.

    I’m somewhat dubious of anything coming from a pro-feminist source, as I’ve stated already, for the reasons given above. The AA is known to be heavily feminist indoctrinated (hence it’s “only women matter – men can drop dead” attitude). For example, recently in India, a ‘study’ by another feminist so-called Doctor claimed her ‘study’ found that a large percent of men would rape a woman. Not only was the ‘study’ lacking any scientific base, not only did it lack a peer-review (making it worthless), but it also did not mention the word RAPE – once. In short, it tricked it’s target audience into claiming themselves as rapists when the audience had no idea the study was about rape.

    I wonder, would a feminist ‘study’ ever ask mothers about child abuse – trying intentionally to trap mothers into admitting they abuse their children? Of course not.

    03 Jun 2010, 02:09

  3. karl

    OK, so you are would rather innocent men (note: plural) were jailed and lost their lives than one guilty man (note: single) went free?
    http://antimisandry.com/false-rape-society/must-read-story-rape-liar-who-destroyed-two-lives-wants-apology-30688.html

    Nobody WANTS a guilty man (or woman) to go free, of course not – but we see repeatedly and systematically that feminists PREFER for INNOCENT MEN (not women) to have their lives ruined, killed, lose their homes, jobs, families, friends, children and so on…

    IF you will not allow for INNOCENT (until proven guilty) MEN to have anonymity – then stop demanding that women (the primary accusers whether false or not) be given preferential treatment which allows them the power to destroy innocent men’s lives. YOU (feminists) are the ones who demanded equality – yet now you do NOT want equality. Here we see clearly the hypocrisy of feminism – preferential treatment of women to the detriment of men & children; a ‘selective equality’ (when it benefits women only).

    6 – I agree, but as I said above – YOU demanded preferential treatment of women, we are simply asking for TRUE equality. If you demand accusers be given anonymity – then I wish to see defendants given equality before the law. Asking for defendants to be given EQUALITY is not asking for preferential treatment – it is YOU who has demanded preferential treatment of accusers, we’re asking for true equality to take place. Clearly, you cannot handle true equality and you hide behind victim-status to endorse inequality to women’s benefit.

    03 Jun 2010, 02:09

  4. Karl, I’m afraid to say that what you say here is all completely untrue.

    First, your suggestion that feminist academics never allow their studies to be peer-reviewed is absolute nonsense. Feminist writers have their work peer-reviewed like anyone else.

    Second, you misunderstand feminism if you think its purpose in life is to “blame men or absolve women of any accountability”. I don’t see that your analogy between rape laws and the wage-gap holds any water, and it has nothing to do with what we are talking about. The only people I have quoted are respected researchers in their field whose work is regularly peer-reviewed – their work is not a matter of opinion, it is based on rigorous research. And, by the way, feminists do not promote hatred of men.

    Next you move on to a discussion of definitions of rape – which is again off-topic – and wrongly suggest that feminists have been trying to redefine rape to give special importance to female survivors, which is completely made up.

    I repeat, I have used a government source in what I say above, a respected government study titled ‘A Gap or a Chasm? Attrition in Rape Cases’. But of course, I’m sure that you will dismiss any source I use that challenges your argument.

    By the way, prison rape is looked at by feminists in this area, so to say that it is ignored by feminism is another lie.

    Frankly, you strike me as someone who is terrified by feminism, without really understanding what it is.

    03 Jun 2010, 12:43

  5. However, it begs the question – where do feminists get their figures for the unreported rapes, if they’re unreported?

    The government study, ‘A Gap or a Chasm?’ cites Painter’s 1991 survey which found that ‘one in four women had experienced rape or attempted rape in their lifetime; l the most common perpetrators were current and ex-partners; and the vast majority (91%) told no one at the time’ (p. 30).

    A male friend of mine has been technically (though not legally) raped – yet he cannot pursue any kind of legal recourse due to the sexist wording of the rape laws. The most he could ever hope for is to see the woman charged with a minor crime, which naturally reinforces the skewed perception of rape as a crime.

    I don’t want to get into this specific case too much, but the term “sexual assault” is designed to be used in cases like these. Sexual assault is not a “minor crime” and your argument at the end here makes no sense at all.

    Ask most school-age boys if they have been kicked or hit in the privates by a female student and I guarantee that at LEAST 50% will confirm they have. By all accounts, this is sexual abuse/battery/assault – yet they all go unreported. Boys may have a thing for pinging a bra or stealing a tweak of a nipple here or there, but that does not compare to being kicked harshly between the legs and left out of breath for a few minutes with eyes watering and unable to compose themselves due to a debilitating pain inflicted ‘for fun’ by a random girl. When I was in school, girls would run passed a line of boys (outside a changing room, waiting for dinner, etc.) and play ‘whack a sack’ to see which boy would crumple and which would remain standing. I strongly doubt many of the boys bothered to report it.

    Frankly what you say is rather creepy. You suggest that because some badly-behaved girls acted violently towards boys, that gives them the right to sexually harass any girl they want to – ‘a tweak of a nipple here or there’. I don’t know when you were growing up, but frankly it is totally disgusting to think that this is acceptable.

    Claiming that at most 10% of reports are proven to be ‘false allegations’ does not at all suggest the remaining 90% are definitely true accounts – it suggests that some are true and some cannot be determined either-way while some simply cannot be proven. See, I am able to look at it objectively – while you imply (in fact, outright state) that 90% must be true.

    Where have you heard your reports that false allegations are as high as 60%? You say that a police department in Britain had this number of false allegations. Which police department? What is your source and what evidence is there to suggest that this is a nationwide trend? The government report, ‘A Gap or a Chasm?’ explains that in the years that they were writing just under 10% of cases were discovered to be “false”.

    Recently in India, a ‘study’ by another feminist so-called Doctor claimed her ‘study’ found that a large percent of men would rape a woman. Not only was the ‘study’ lacking any scientific base, not only did it lack a peer-review (making it worthless), but it also did not mention the word RAPE – once. In short, it tricked it’s target audience into claiming themselves as rapists when the audience had no idea the study was about rape.

    What study? I can hardly say much about this unless you tell me what your source is.

    I wonder, would a feminist ‘study’ ever ask mothers about child abuse – trying intentionally to trap mothers into admitting they abuse their children? Of course not.

    Again this is rather creepy and misinformed about feminism. Do you think that feminists spend their time interviewing child abusers, or tricking innocent men into incriminating themselves? Or is it that you have a skewed view of what abuse is or is not?

    03 Jun 2010, 13:34

  6. Karl,

    No, I would not prefer innocent men to be jailed, but men have no greater chance of being wrongly convicted of rape than of any other crime.

    YOU (feminists) are the ones who demanded equality – yet now you do NOT want equality. Here we see clearly the hypocrisy of feminism – preferential treatment of women to the detriment of men & children; a ‘selective equality’ (when it benefits women only).

    You don’t really respond to my point that there should be anonymity for all defendants of all crimes or for none. This is equality, but you haven’t really listened to what I have suggested. Instead, you prefer to have a rant about ‘YOU (feminists)’ without really knowing what feminism stand for, or realizing that there are as many types of feminism as there are people.

    03 Jun 2010, 13:39

  7. James Brookes

    Karl, if you would like to read some official and independent studies about sexual offences, please follow the links below. They perhaps do not make brief or pleasant reading, but they may help you to produce an informed opinion and to articulated it without the need to resort to CAPITALISATION.

    http://www.statistics.gov.uk/hub/crime-justice/crime/violent-and-sexual-crime

    http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs2/hors237.pdf

    It is correct, on these statistics (both in absolute terms and proportion of offenders), to say that in the UK males tend to commit more sexual offences than females.

    Zoe, I agree with every part of your detailed response except one, the heading ‘rapists tend to be men’. This is incorrect:

    Section 1 of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 states “a person commits the offence [of rape] if he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person with his penis”.

    Thus, only a man is physically capable of commiting rape in the UK. Legally, non-consensual sexual penetration with anything other than a penis is classified as ‘sexual assault’ (section 2 of the SOA 2003).

    A great difficulty of this kind of debate that the word rape is sometimes used to connote various kinds of sexual abuse when in most jurisdictions it’s meaning is restricited to a limited number of acts. As I think we’ve discussed before, rape is a male problem and requires a cultural response as much as it does a legal one. I believe, with you, that the proposed change in the law is detrimental to both goals. The existence of a separate offence of rape is entirely justified, even though it is sexually discriminatory per se. However it is important to consider that the majority of sexual offences committed are not rape and that the problem of sexual abuse is far wider than rape. This is and should continue to be a focus for feminism.

    03 Jun 2010, 20:58

  8. Thanks for this James. Yes, of course, we need to be aware not only of rape. There are many kinds of sexual abuse, though sometimes they are thought of in similar terms to the violation of rape. Thanks for these points though.

    03 Jun 2010, 21:47

  9. karl

    You say feminism does not try to blame men for everything wrong and/or absolve women… Yet, 99% of their [agenda-driven] ‘studies’ always have the same predictable result – men bad, women good. If it’s not blaming men within a blanket, it’s blaming ‘teh evul patriarchy’ (which somewhat boils down to ‘male rule’).

    So… feminists did not push for women to have anonymity when accusing a man of rape? Oh, they did push for women to have anonymity when accusing a man of rape? Well, isn’t that demanding preferential treatment or ‘special importance’? No? Oh let me guess, when it benefits women it’s perfectly fine – but when it benefits men (you know, having equality in that area) it’s not good… yeah, somehow I’m not surprised to see that mentality.

    “Frankly, you strike me as someone who is terrified by feminism, without really understanding what it is.”
    Oh no, shaming language always works on me… now how will I cope? I am truly terrified…
    No – I’m simply sick of the sexism, misinformation & misandry it promotes.

    Note how when you address the girls hitting boys in the privates, you refer to them as ‘badly behaved girls’ – yet they were sexually abusing random boys. Then when it comes to boys who were NOT hitting, just ‘messing about (sexually)’ – you make sure to highlight the sexual element of it and LIE about my opinions, claiming I was suggesting it was accept for boys to ‘sexually harass’ girls.
    Can you really not see your own hypocrisy and sexism in the way you have diluted the wrongs of the girls while elevating the wrongs of the boys? Are you really that blind to your own sexism?

    If you’re going to press that point that there should be anonymity for ALL or none (defendants) – then the same (equality) MUST be granted for the accusers… but feminists insisted on giving women elevated status. It is your kind that has promoted inequality while puts women above men & children, legally and otherwise.

    You get all worried when men ask for EQUALITY… as you have clearly demonstrated.

    James – thanks for the post, I agree with 99% of what you say. I tried to explain to Zoe previously the same as you have, that the law uses sexism to define rape as a male-only issue, and feminists eagerly turn a blind eye because it benefits women over men to be able to ‘rape’ with impunity.

    08 Jun 2010, 11:17

  10. karl

    “No, I would not prefer innocent men to be jailed, but men have no greater chance of being wrongly convicted of rape than of any other crime.”

    Are men wrongly found guilty of other crimes (assault, theft, etc.) also beaten up, killed, lose their family, careers, cast out of their homes and so forth too?

    Thought not.

    08 Jun 2010, 12:16

  11. What is feminism? I can only speak for myself, as there are as many types of feminism as there are people, but it is at a fundamental level ‘a belief in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes’. Nowhere does feminism say that men are ‘bad’, or that women are inherently ‘good’. We are all human after all.

    Patriarchy is associated with men, because men have tended in history to be the leaders of institutions that have been sexist towards women. Though, on occasion, women can sometimes pass on legacies of patriarchy by proxy as many feminist studies have shown. What I am saying is that patriarchy represents for feminists not just discrimination against women, but all abuses of power, whether they are based on race, sexuality, religion or whatever.

    Feminists did push for women to have anonymity when reporting a rape, but this was for the specific reason that women (and some men) were not reporting rape cases. If you really care that much about this, you would be better off thinking about how we can improve the system of rape prosecution, so that women do not feel so alienated and victimized by it. This also benefitted men reporting rape.

    Note how when you address the girls hitting boys in the privates, you refer to them as ‘badly behaved girls’ – yet they were sexually abusing random boys. Then when it comes to boys who were NOT hitting, just ‘messing about (sexually)’ – you make sure to highlight the sexual element of it and LIE about my opinions, claiming I was suggesting it was accept for boys to ‘sexually harass’ girls.

    Once more you bring up your creepy story about school children. First can I say that I have talked to quite a few male friends since we last spoke and I am not convinced that what you said previously is representative of most people’s experience. Perhaps this was a widespread practice at your school (I’m wondering whether it was quite a while ago, or whether it was a particularly badly disciplined school?). If so, I condemn it whole-heartedly as I did previously. What I was trying to say though is that one kind of abuse does not justify another. I would also suggest though that you have some suspect views if you would describe, in your words…

    a tweak of a nipple here or there

    ...as…

    just ‘messing around (sexually)’

    By the way, if you agree with 99% of what James said, you must agree with most of what I have been saying too, since James stated: ‘I agree with every part of your detailed response except one’. The only thing that James corrected me on was the fact that I was muddying the terms ‘rape’ and ‘sexual abuse’. Feminists are actually as concerned about and disgusted by women’s abuse of men, as they are about men’s abuse of women, though as James points out the specific act of rape is more often than not a male crime committed against women.

    08 Jun 2010, 17:33

  12. There have been a lot of cases of men being found guilty of other crimes. I wonder if James, who is an expert in law, could fill us in a bit more on these?

    By the way, Karl, if you really think that there is nothing wrong with your views, then why are you commenting anonymously? If you really think that your views on rape laws are acceptable, you should stand behind them.

    08 Jun 2010, 17:36

  13. karl

    So patriarchy is your all-in-one wrap-up answer to just about everything wrong, it covers sexism, racism and religion or ‘whatever’... lol
    And that in of itself proves my point – feminism is about blaming men, which you denied but now admit in the above (post 11) text.

    Also, I note that you (feminism in general) wilfully ignore maternal power which is abused, such as maternal gatekeeping. As a father to two ex’s, I have come across maternal gatekeeping in both relationships. I’ve witnessed it amongst friends and other family members too. I’m sure you know what maternal gatekeeping is, but as a feminist you will happily turn a blind eye to it, justify it, marginalize it or pretend it isn’t important. Women also have a lot of power over men in the sense of false rape claims – a man is powerless to defend himself properly given the heavily skewed legal system he encounters once accused. It has taken hundreds of men over 10 years to clear their names thanks to advances in DNA technology and similar. Again, you defend women’s rights to abuse men in this way by insisting that men should not have equality with women – retaining women’s upperhand to use and abuse at will.

    I brought up the ‘creepy’ story about school children because you blatantly marginalized what girls were doing (sexually abusing boys for entertainment, hitting, kicking, kneeing, etc.) and then elevated what the boys did to ‘harassment’ – not jut harassment, but sexual harassment. You did that quite on purpose – because as a feminist it is your mission to portray males as bad and absolve females of accountability. That is precisely what you have demonstrated, yet deny doing prior to engaging in that very mentality.

    Neither the boys nor the girls were doing these things on a daily basis.. but they did happen. You claim my views are suspect, highlighting a couple of quotes, yet eagerly ignore how suspect your views are like claiming sexually abusing a male as ‘bad behaviour’. Shall we call violence against women ‘bad behaviour’ from now on too? No… let me guess, it’s ‘different’. I never said one violence justified another – yet again, you seem to be trying to credit me with a view I have not suggested. Well, I guess it’s understandable – I’m male and you’re female, so from a feminist perspective that makes me inferior. Shall I drop my eyes to the floor in your presence, if we ever meet in real world, just so you can be assured that I know my place?

    If feminists were “as concerned about and disgusted by women’s abuse of men as they are about men’s abuse of women”, then where are all the feminist articles, columns, books and ‘studies’ about it? oh yes, they don’t exist (or perhaps if they do – only in tiny, tiny proportion).

    And for the record, Zoe – I am not anonymous. I’m using my real name. I won’t share my legitimate email with you though because I have found that whenever I share my email address with feminist sites, it is promptly spammed with junkmail lists in retaliation for daring to disagree with their promotion of misandry.

    09 Jun 2010, 12:46

  14. karl

    “By the way, Karl, if you really think that there is nothing wrong with your views, then why are you commenting anonymously? If you really think that your views on rape laws are acceptable, you should stand behind them.”

    Not only is this yet another attempt to shame into submission, it’s also pointless. What are my views on rape law, why are my views wrong? It seems you are able to answer these so I kindly request you tell me what my views are, why asking for equality for men is wrong and why would asking for men to have equality with women somehow ‘shameful’ as you try to infer?

    Why do misandrists lie?

    09 Jun 2010, 16:23

  15. I notice that you have now changed your direction from arguing about rape laws to arguing against feminism in general. If you want to discuss this further, please contact me by e-mail and I will happily discuss it with you. Frankly I don’t believe that you have read any feminist research on sexual abuse, as you completely misrepresent it here. In my own book, for example, that I recently edited, Feminism, Literature and Rape Narratives, we covered the abuse of children and men.

    Regarding your story of schoolyard abuse, I have never denied the seriousness of what the girls were doing to the boys. No abuse can justify any other kind of abuse.

    Regarding your anonymity, you are not using your full name, which still suggests to me some awareness on your part that your style commenting would not be generally approved of by any reasonable person. I am a professional researcher and writer and I have better things to do than send you spam – this is an extremely weak excuse!

    09 Jun 2010, 16:49

  16. I am now ending this conversation, as I have discovered that someone has been reproducing my blog entries and comments on this subject on a website (of anonymous members) devoted to “anti-mysandry”. This has been done without my permission along with my name and a link to my blog! If anyone wants to drop me a line to discuss, however, feel free.

    10 Jun 2010, 13:13

  17. karl

    No – you are ending this conversation because your pro-misandric status has been exposed for all to see. You have relied on censorship and misrepresenting those you address.

    THAT is typical of feminists.

    10 Jun 2010, 19:15

  18. OK, I’m going to be fair and allow this last comment. Karl can have the last word, and everyone else can make up their own minds.

    10 Jun 2010, 22:24


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