October 23, 2008

Self Assessment or Audit?

Hi, my first blog so I hope this works...

Something I've reflected on, but still not convinced myself about, is the difference between assessment and audit. I've stripped this right back to basics had a look at the dictionary which defines Audit as:

"a formal, often periodic examination and checking of accounts or financial records to verify their correctness"

Assessment - to estimate or determine the significance, importance, or value of

The process of applying for the EFQM award is a documented formal process (Davyon explained this). It is periodic, once a year if you wish to apply, no examination is taking place but the assessor is benchmarking his/her perceived view of the company against a prescribed assesment critria to create the 75 page document. Once this is submitted, assuming there is enough points to continue, some form of checking by external assessors is required to verify it's correctness or accuracy. I think the key part is for me is the last part of audit definition, "verify their correctness", even though it may be a very non prescriptive assessment, an independent body, external to the organisation, is deciding whether they agree with your findings in a 75 page report i.e. whether  the report is correct.   

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  1. Paul,

    Audits by definition are a systematic, independent and documented process for obtaining audit evidence and evaluating it objectively to determine the extent to which the audit criteria are fulfilled, taken from British Standards Institute (2005)]. I think it is worth debating if you replace the word audit with self assessment would it deliver the same outcome?

    Jim

    23 Oct 2008, 22:10

  2. Abdulrahman Hariri

    Agree with Jim.

    I wouldnt think it would deliver the same thing Jim ;), because there is no criteria to fullfill for Self-Assessment, ofcourse sometimes top management could define some criteria for self-assessment, but then this is not really a part of a standard.

    24 Oct 2008, 01:08

  3. To me, the most important distinction between ISO audit and self-assessment is who’s setting the standard. Auditing usually implies there is a certain set of standards external to organisation which must be complied in order to pass the audit. Whereas self-assessment invovles setting own standards. The purpose of EFQM inspection is merely to verify the truthfulness of claimed improvements made in the document, this contrast with the ISO audit whose purpose is to see if compliance is achieved.

    To win EFQM award there must be clear evidence of improvement from previous period.

    25 Oct 2008, 18:33

  4. I think main reason they are not using the word audit in EFQM is to show the mentality difference. Relating to dictionary definitions we “might” conclude that calling audit wouldn’t harm anyone, but there are big differences between processes, people who are doing it , and most importantly their objective.

    26 Oct 2008, 20:36

  5. Paul Roberts

    My comment on your thoughts Paul focus on your statement, “some form of checking by external assessors is required to verify it’s correctness or accuracy”. When I was trained as an EFQM assessor it was explained that we treat the 75-page submission as a statement of truth. The purpose of the site visits was not to verify accuracy or correctness (audit) but to clarify the assessors’ understanding of the situation in the organization. As we all know it is frequently difficult to express in a small number of words the full richness of a particular situation, and so these site visits are scheduled to enable the assessors to gain a deeper understanding, not to question veracity.

    26 Nov 2008, 17:07

  6. Self Assessment

    erm… I never knew there was any difference between those two terms

    08 Jan 2009, 16:52

  7. Abdulrahman Hariri

    Of course there are :)

    10 Jan 2009, 20:44


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